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#361
Mine look like they are chrome and they are all original as far as I know.   They were never redone in the 53 years that the car has been in the family.

Ted
#362
General Discussion / Re: Dave's 1929 U Resto project
February 07, 2015, 04:44:05 PM
Dave:

I have a question regarding your replicated distributor drive housing.  Can you tell me, or do you remember, how much play (if any) there was with the drive gear?  Is it in the housing fairly flush and no "back and forth" play?

The reason I'm asking is that my timing keeps jumping and I believe my problem lies in the play with my distributor drive and/or my distributor.  I think it's more my drive play, which is about 1/16" which allows the drive to move back and forth.  I believe if I close this gap with a shim or two, it might help and keep the drive in one position while turning freely.

Please let me know if you can.

Ted
#363
General Discussion / Re: 28 Q questions
February 02, 2015, 04:22:37 PM
I'm sure that or similar will work!  Just to clarify, at the time I bought mine in 2011, all 5 were $125 shipped.  A bargain compared to the rip-off vendor on eBay.
#364
General Discussion / Re: 28 Q questions
February 02, 2015, 02:31:41 PM
Here is the gentleman who I got mine from who's information I found out from someone off the POC site.  I emailed him whenI initiated contact...I'm glad I saved my old email!:

Gene Bibber
135 Brackett Road
Gorham, Maine  04038
Tele: (207) 839-4605

Email:  missmud31@myfairpoint.net

#365
General Discussion / Re: 28 Q questions
February 02, 2015, 06:56:54 AM
There's a gentleman in the northeast who makes the discs. I got all 5 for under $100.  They look exactly like the originals in size, thickness, etc.  I'll try to find his information if anyone is interested.
#366
General Discussion / Re: 28 Q questions
February 01, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
There are three on the rear and two up front.  When I replaced my discs (I've only done the rear) I reused my buckle washers and in a few spots the I didn't have any, I used heavy duty round washers from Home Depot.  I alternated the different washers around the discs. Everything is secured with castle nuts and cotter pins and everything has worked fine for the past few years, including a few long trips.   I doubt buckle washers are still available, but you never know.  I don't have shocks either.

Ted
#367
Thanks guys, got the end cap off...very easy... should have tried before I asked :)

One thing I did this time to simulate the operation more realistically was to install the advance/retard bracket on the housing and then put the distributor in. Now, I'm not experiencing the lock up when I was turning the shaft drive while pushing it in.  The drive turns freely whether I'm pushing it in or pulling out on it.  The play is still there, however, just no lock up or binding.

I did observe the two gears turning together and there is a little play, but it's hard to say if that's the issue.   I made a video and will post tonight or tomorrow.

Frank, I agree with you and some others.  I really don't think it could be the cam gear if I can keep getting the car to start and keep it running if at least for a while.

Now, time to go watch the Superbowl...
#368
Guys, I know and understand the concept of backlash and that things can't be so tight that they'll bind.  My main question with what I found, along with the photos and videos previously posted, is it showing too much play?  It seems too much to me, but I'm not 100% sure.

I can take off the end cap of the housing (what is the best way to do this without damaging the housing?) to see how the gears mesh together...for what it's worth, the only play in the housing shaft/drive is the "in and out" play like in the video.  There is no side to side or horizontal play.   There is also a little vertical play in the distributor, also in one of the videos.

I really couldn't get the distributor to slip, per se, but it did lock up as described above when the shaft was pushed in and turned.  Again, when I took up slack in the drive when pulling it out and turning, the distributor turned freely.

I do appreciate the input...I just want to make sure these pieces are good before I go any further into the motor.  If these pieces are the issue then that's what I need to know. 

If the amount of play showing is what it should be and normal, then it must be something else.

I looked at the slot on the end of the cam where the drive engages, but I don't see anything visibly wrong with it.

Ted

#369
Frank:

I'm starting to think the play in the housing shaft might be an issue like you suggested.  After contacting Jeff Buton via email, he also suggested I concentrate on the housing and distributor alignment and check for sloppiness (or if it's too tight, which it is not) and while turning the housing shaft and distributor, see if it's sloppy and if gear slips. 

So I did this earlier today and took some time with it.  What I found was that if the slack is taken out of the shaft (I was pulling out on the shaft as if I added shims and got rid of the slack) the shaft with the distributor engaged and turned smoothly, again no excessive play.

I then did the same thing but this time I was pushing in (as if to take the slack and play out of it) on the shaft all the way while turning the distributor.   This time, the shaft would turn freely for about half to three quarters of a turn and then stop, as if locked up.  I had to pull out on the shaft to get the shaft and distributor to turn again. 

At this point, I feel like this COULD be an issue, if not the issue.  This play in the shaft and the play in the distributor shaft have me concerned, although I feel the housing shaft is the bigger problem.  I could add some thin shims to correct this and take up the slack, but want to make sure I wouldn't do too much and then somehow screw up the housing  itself.   I don't know how I could as long as the shaft turns freely.  But, who knows how much slack there should be?

A couple other things...both the distributor gear and housing shaft gear are good and are not slipping, they are on tight.  Also, when then housing shaft is pulled out to take up slack (and turns the distributor freely), you can look down in the housing at the gear and it appears perfectly centered on where it would align with the distributor gear.   When pushed in, the gear is ever so slightly off (pushed back) so it wouldn't be perfectly aligned with the distributor.

So, did I find the problem?  I have no idea, but these are my observations with the housing and distributor.

Ted

#370
Frank:

On your spare housing, how much play is in the shaft when it is moved back and forth/in and out?  Is there some play or is it in there pretty solid?  I'm wondering if there should be no play at all and just spin/rotate.

Ted
#371
Ski - you could be right about the grease fitting taking up slack...not sure when that may have been added... The car has been in the family since '62, so not sure if my Dad knew about it or someone did it for him or if it was done before he found the car.

Chet - both the gears (distributor and shaft in housing look great).  I'll take another look at the play when the distributor is installed in the housing.  My main concern is the "ring" on the shaft that looks like a prior repair as you suggested.  It's also a tad loose.

I'll also check out the other end on the cam in the motor...

Ted
#372
Thanks Frank...if I grab the small ring with the pins in it, it is a tad loose.  I can wiggle it a little between my fingers.  Also , as Chet suggested, the ring looks like it was repaired before.  The  "hollow" pin is holding the ring on the shaft.  If it was tighter, the ring would probably be tighter.  The other pins look like the remains of earlier pins and don't feel attached to the ring.  The play in the shaft might be able to be fixed with a very thin washer.

Chet - I pulled back the mounting gasket and it looks good underneath, no cracks, etc.

Ted
#373
Guys,

Thanks for looking.  I don't know if I have the answers.  This is the first time I ever had this off myself.  I took the close ups on purpose because I noticed the extra pins as well.  If/when it was repaired, I have no idea when it would have been.  Regardless, I don't think there is enough here to say this is the cause of the problem, do you?

I'm not moving forward just yet, that's why I wanted some of your opinions and expertise.  I emailed Jeff Burton of the POC a couple days ago, but haven't heard back from him yet.  Just wanted to start with this and get some thoughts.

Did you have a chance to see the two videos?  If so, is the play seem normal to you?

Thanks again...

Ted
#374
All:

Starting a continuation thread with this regarding the timing issues I've been having.  I am attaching several photos and a couple videos of the distributor and the distributor base housing to get your thoughts on the appearance and function.  Other than a little play in the distributor shaft (see video) and the small shaft inside the housing (see video), they both look like they're in great shape and the play may be normal - but not sure on the "vertical" play of the distributor shaft.  Also, the gear inside the housing looks good as well.

So, if these pieces appear to be normal/good or not, please let me know your opinion.  I am assuming after my examination that they are both in good and functional shape and I'm going to have to get into the motor and inspect/replace the cam gear.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Ted

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#375
General Discussion / Re: Time to get into the motor?
January 06, 2015, 09:45:53 PM
Yes, the weather is perfect for working in the garage and miserable in the heat and humidity of the summer.  Plus, the shows don't start until Spring so its a good time to get going on it.   I just need to get going.