All:
I found these in a box in my garage and not sure what they fit...3 of the 4 look like they are for artillery wheels (a 30U?) and the 4th hubcap is longer/different. What can anyone tell me about them? I plan to sell, possibly on eBay...
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad320/racertb/Hubcap1.jpg)
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad320/racertb/Hubcap2.jpg)
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad320/racertb/Hubcap3.jpg)
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad320/racertb/Hubcap4.jpg)
They look like late 1930 to 32 and they would fit my 30u
Cheers Tony
They look like they are specifically for the artillery wheels that screw on...like on my '29, but with the entire word "Plymouth" spelled out...the fourth (different) one, I'm stumped on...same logo, but more depth/length to it.
I think the short ones were for wood wheels and the longer one was for the metal wheels. Not sure but they are for the 31 - 32 PA.
I am curious, which wheels are artillery wheel. The wooden spokes or the metal rims? I hear people talking about artillery wheels but I don't know the diference.
Thanks,
SD Glenn
SD Glenn; I am attaching a picture of "artillery wheels" on my '35 Deluxe Sedan. Regards, Kim Mc
My understanding of artillary wheels, were wooded spokes fitted tightly into a metal hub and bolted together. As used on plymouths of this era and many other makes. As far as i know those wheels on your 35 deluxe are refered to as artilary wheels but not actualy them. They were just given the name.
Could be wrong
Ian
Extract from Wikipedia on Artillery Wheels :
The artillery wheel was developed for use on gun carriages when it was found that the lateral forces involved in horse artillery manoeuvres caused normally-constructed cart wheels to collapse. Rather than having its spokes mortised into a wooden nave (hub), it has them fitted together (mitred) then bolted into a metal nave. Its tyre is shrunk onto the rim in the usual way but it is also bolted on for security.
Chet...
Thanks guys. Nice car Kim.... Soooo, I have Artillery wheels on my 1929 Coupe and Kim has them on his 35 Delux. lol
SDGlenn
Quote from: SDGlenn on October 02, 2012, 11:03:26 AM
Thanks guys. Nice car Kim.... Soooo, I have Artillery wheels on my 1929 Coupe and Kim has them on his 35 Delux. lol
SDGlenn
Glenn,
I would think that anything today that has spokes might be termed artillery wheels. In reference to wheel technology at the turn of the century and in the twenties, Artillery grade wheels were wood wheels meeting military specification for strength and durability.
In today's dictionary the word tire is explained as:
A ring or band of rubber, either solid or hollow and inflated, or of metal, placed over the rim of a wheel to provide traction or resistance to wear.
At the turn of the century it was the metal ring applied around a wooden wheel to tie the spokes (or felloes) together. Hence the word tire, the metal band also provided resistance to wear and road damage.
I hope this helps,
Chet...
OK....maybe there are wood and steel "artillery wheels". I consulted another plymouth owner and here's what he sent me. "The 1935 Ross Roy PJ Data book describes the wheel as "steel artillery". This is the book Plymouth furnished it's dealers!" So, it sounds to me like the early artillery wheels were wood with steel reinforcement and later the term was applied to the steel wheels like the ones pictured on my '35. Hope that helps. Kim
Quote from: kimmc on October 02, 2012, 05:44:08 PM
OK....maybe there are wood and steel "artillery wheels". I consulted another plymouth owner and here's what he sent me. "The 1935 Ross Roy PJ Data book describes the wheel as "steel artillery". This is the book Plymouth furnished it's dealers!" So, it sounds to me like the early artillery wheels were wood with steel reinforcement and later the term was applied to the steel wheels like the ones pictured on my '35. Hope that helps. Kim
You are correct. Artillery grade wheels is a term specifying a degree of quality whether steel or wood. Probably now obsolete to describe quality, but most likely refers to style today.
Chet...
Thanks guys, all great info, and fantastic, ...... sorry racertb, now back to the hub caps.............. lol
Surprising how I always get side tracked
SDGlenn
Quote from: kimmc on October 02, 2012, 02:59:22 AM
SD Glenn; I am attaching a picture of "artillery wheels" on my '35 Deluxe Sedan. Regards, Kim Mc
By the way, Really nice looking car, OK.., now back to hub caps
These caps were used on the 30 - 32 wood wheel cars. The difference in the length is to allow for the aluminum beauty cover that was used to cover up the center hub and bolts. The front cap already sets out away from the wheel by virtue of the front bearings and hub design. To allow the rear cap to set out the same distance from the hub the rear one had to be extended.
I am currently laid up from an operation on my foot, but will try to get some pictures as soon as it can.
Gary R. - Happy motoring
Those hubcaps are for a specific short lived Plymouth called a 'Thrift'. Chrysler offered a cheap version of it's 1931 PA in a 2 or 4 door sedan in black only with wooden artillery wheels which appear to be left over from the 30U. It also lacked a temperature gage on the dash and free wheeling as a further reduction in cost. In 1931 Plymouth changed it's logo on it's hubcaps from a single 'P' on the 1930 30U caps to this full word with the 2 half moons on either side. This logo continued from '31 through '33. The '34 hubcaps sport a different logo. A 'full price' '31 PA which came in all the body styles had wire wheels and full face flat hubcaps with this logo and snapped into a 6" hole in the wire wheels. These Thirfts were the last of the screw on hubcaps for Plymouth or any other Chysler vehicle. The Thrift is quite rare today and I know of none existant. I know of another set of these Thrift caps for sale that have been in a glass case on a counter at different flea markets around me for several years. They were still for sale in Sept. No one has the car to put them on. Maybe these will find a home on the world wide net. (I have 2 myself. One good one and one in it's 2 pieces with quite a dent in the lower body.)
Not to get off topic but I have some conf. bulletins relating to the thrift if anyone is curious