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General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 16, 2012, 06:16:21 AM »
Hi all.  Some asked for more detail about the wood framing in the rear of my coupe. I took some time to measure and sketch the rear wood detail.  The sketch may be confusing but the pictures may help.  If you need further explanation or additional pictures, don't be shy.  Remember, mine is a coupe so sedans will be different.

Attach 1: Sketch of detail: this starts near the vertical wood support beneath the L rear corner of the cab area and gives much more detail of the rear-most wood. (this area is near the bottom of my previous sketch).  This sketch includes more detail of the rear wood framing and the wood framing across the rear of the car (just below the bottom of the trunk opening.

Attach 2: Left rear corner of car; timber on right is extension of main timber from firewall to this back corner.  Rear-most wood floor board sits on this.  Butting up to it on its right is 3.25" wide piece of oak that runs across the back between the 2 main L & R timbers.  Sitting vertically on this is a 2.75" high piece with dado that extends between the metal drip edge of the trunk opening. The dado holds the rear edge of the back wood floor board.  On top of that is a 1.25 thick piece that extends to the widest trunk opening.  This piece holds the latch mechanism and its rear-most edge follows the contour of the back metal piece (curved).  The wood piece ( 1.75 x 1 5/8 inches x 48" long) that supports the curve of the trunk opening above the rear fender is shown butted against the wide flat piece; it then goes up to the top of the picture and out of view.

Attach 3: picture of what the sketch shows (much dirt obscures things) but the wood pieces and steel frame hump are apparent.

The sketch and my descriptions may not be clear or easy to follow so send me a post if you would like more clarification or more pictures.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 13, 2012, 01:30:41 AM »
SDGlenn.  Thanks!  I have not done that.  I'll give that a try and let you know.  The trunk lid is one of the last things I have to take off the body and then I can finally start working on fixing stuff.  I worked on cleaning the dirt and grease off the rear end last night...I actually found a differential under all that mung & graudoo!

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General Discussion / Re: New member - Plymouth 1929 Two Door Sedan
« on: October 12, 2012, 09:40:59 PM »
Looks to me like original '29 tanks were put on a modern core.  The original "honey comb" core was probably corroded and leaked.  I hear that they are very difficult to repair.  I guess it is cheaper to put in a modern radiator core.  If this radiator works and doesn't leak, maybe just paint the core black and use it for a while; spend the money on some other part of the car.  That would give you some time to research and consider your options.  The old parts do turn up from time to time...it's kind of surprising what you can find.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: New member - Plymouth 1929 Two Door Sedan
« on: October 12, 2012, 07:34:25 PM »
First, I'm not an expert, so maybe someone else can tell you about the part number.  Here's what I know.  The radiator shell looks correct; the Plymouth badge is missing (it goes in the hole on front near the top) but maybe you have removed that.  The radiator core is not correct.  The '29s had a "honey comb" core radiator.  I have one still in its original crate (pic attached and close-up of the core).  Sorry, it's not for sale.  These radiators are difficult to find and expensive.  The '29s had no grill so the exposed radiator core was what you saw.  I have heard that some shops can take an old core and cut about a 1" slice off the face and use that as a "false front" with a modern radiator core behind.  This gives the look of an original radiator.  Vintage radiators are expensive...I was quoted $2400 to build a new reproduction honey comb radiator using my old top and bottom tanks.  If you find a good used '29 radiator for less than $1000, I would probably buy it.  Others may have different ideas.  Good luck with your project...it is fun.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 12, 2012, 05:29:56 PM »
Hi Glenn.  Heck no, I don't mind questions and requests.  Working with other Plymouth owners is a big part of the fun for me.  There will be times when I'll need help from all of you too.  I'll keep posting pictures, so if you have a request, post it here or send me an email.  Your roadster will probably have similar wood construction to my coupe so I can probably help you with the wood above the chassis deck too.  Right now I am having difficulty removing the hinge pins on the trunk lid.  They screw out and I can't get either one to budge at all...yet.  I've been treating both with a rust breaker daily for a week but that doesn't seem to help.  I'm reluctant to put heat to it because of all the wood beneath the metal.  Anyone have a solution?  Also, I've been doing a little research on the internet regarding chemical wood stabilizers and fillers to treat the wood around the perimeter of the top; there are lots of cracks and nail holes (pic attached of front piece above sun visor).   Anyone have any experience with this?  Thanks.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 12, 2012, 02:40:42 AM »
OK...I forgot the sketch...here it is.  Also, I've attached a picture of the floor detail beneath the cowl and a picture of a shim between the wood and the steel frame channel.  More later.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 12, 2012, 02:31:25 AM »
Hey Chet and Glenn; You both asked for pictures and details about the wood floor structure so this afternoon I decided to take a "kick at the cat".  I started with a sketch (it's pretty amateurish...sorry) that I will post here.  It was pretty fun crawling in, around, and under the car to see what they did.  Pretty amazing, actually; they pretty much built a wood car and then nailed sheet metal to the wood frame.  The main floor members are made of 1.75 inch thick oak and are laid over the top of the frame channel; the inside edge of these main longitudinal member pretty much lays above the inside edge of the top leg of the frame channel...(does that make sense?).  The outside edge of this wood piece follows the contour of the car.  There are 3 wood cross members that extend from side to side; one is above and behind the main steel cross member beneath the cab, the second is about one foot further towards the rear, and the last is at the very back of the car (not shown in my sketch).  In the sketch the small x within a circle is a bolt holding the wood to the frame.  There are wood shims of various thicknesses between the main wood structure and the steel frame; i suppose these were for adjustment of the steel body.  Anyhow, this is getting long so if any of you out there have questions, post them here or send me an email.  I've got lots of pictures; I'll post a few. 

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 11, 2012, 05:49:47 PM »
Another quick post.  I wanted to check the pictures I took of the fabric U-joint on the differential end before I completely disassembled it.  You can see in the picture that the head of the bolt for the drive shaft spyder is on the differential side followed by a flat washer, waffle washer, disk, waffle washer, disk, waffle washer, disk, waffle washer, drive shaft spyder, nut, and cotter pin.  (The cotter pin and nut were removed to get a little space in the assembly so the picture would show the sequence of parts better.)  The bolts to the differential spyder are reversed; that is the nut is on the differential side and the head of the bolt with flat washer and waffle washer is against the disk on the opposite side (towards the front of the car or drive shaft side).  This arrangement of bolts is different from the transmission end fabric U-joint (see my earlier post and sketch in this thread).  Questions?  Send me a post.  I'm headed back to the shop.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 11, 2012, 03:45:03 PM »
Hey Glenn.  Yes, I will take some pictures today and send them.  By "rear boot floor" I presume you mean the wood framing behind the seat?  Let me know if I don't have that right.  From the pictures I post you can tell me if you need to see additional stuff.  Also, I could take some measurements for you if that would help too.  Glad to know you are enjoying the progress reports.  And as long as I am doing another post, I'm going to include some pics.  Thanks for your reply.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 11, 2012, 08:52:43 AM »
Chet; it's not much extra work to get the pictures you want while I have it all open.  So just let me know; I'll be glad to get the detail pictures you want.

Al; I enjoy posting the pictures and getting feedback from forum members.  This is all part of the fun for me.  I've benefitted from the posts of others on this forum; I hope some will benefit from my adventures with the restoration of my car.

I am putting up a couple of more pictures of the top's wood structure.  You all are lucky that there is a 1000 KB size limit on posted pictures otherwise I'd be putting up lots more.  The first pic shows the top from above the left back corner of the cab (behind the driver) and the second show a broken support bow (there are 3 breaks like this...probably caused by high school friends piling all over the car on several occasions way back when I was just a lad).  I think these can be glued and clamped; I also plan to reinforce each top bow by gluing strips of wood along either side of each bow.  It can't hurt and will probably help the old wood a little.  And I have some other pieces that I will have to manufacture replacement pieces....but that's another post.  Thanks again for the feedback.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: New member - Plymouth 1929 Two Door Sedan
« on: October 11, 2012, 01:58:41 AM »
Hey Jonas.  Looks like a nice car.  The body looks good...I can't see any dents.  I am working on restoring my '29 Plymouth coupe.  I am posting my adventures on the forum; it started out under the title "I need some advice".  Lots of helpful folks on this forum.  You will always get a reply from someone who has encountered a similar problem.  Keep us posted on your progress.  Everyone likes to look at pictures!  Good luck.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 11, 2012, 01:28:46 AM »
Here's the 3rd photo.  All the floor boards laid out.  I will do a sketch of each with measurements if that will help.  Let me know what else you want.  Talk to you later.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 11, 2012, 01:25:34 AM »
Well, my frame is original...some dry rot but not too much.  I can send you all the pictures you want however mine is a coupe, not a sedan.  Yours is probably similar construction, just longer (and even more wood!).  I am sending 2 pics here taken just a couple of hours ago.  The 3rd pic will have to follow in a separate reply as the third picture would put me over the 1000KB limit.  Go to go.  My wife is making me take some time away from my project!

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:33:48 PM »
Hi Chet.  Sure I can do that.  Is there something that you are especially interested in?  There's a lot of wood and specially machined joints!  I want to be sure to get those parts that you want.  It may be a day or two as the floor of the old girl is pretty cluttered right now as I continue the disassembly.  I will post some pictures later today of the top wood structure; I removed the burlap this morning and took pictures.  I hope I can salvage most of the wood structure and only have to build a few pieces.  Later.  Kim

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General Discussion / Re: I need some advice...
« on: October 10, 2012, 05:12:20 PM »
Thanks Glenn.  I appreciate the feedback and enjoy the humor.  The comments I get regarding my "posts" are part of the fun of this project and keep me plugging along.  Thanks for taking the time to post a note.  On my way out for another day.  They must have used at least a couple of boxes of tacks on that interior and top!  Kim

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