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Title: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on November 12, 2017, 10:10:35 AM
All Suspension Work Completed

The original Build Thread was getting quite long so I decided to start another since this Thread completes most of the structural work and all the suspension restoration.  I must admit that new springs all around and repairing the problems with the mismatch shackles makes a big difference.  So after a year since I started the restoration the car is finally sitting on it's own four wheels again and in perfect alignment.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Suspension_041.jpg)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Suspension_042.jpg)

So on to the next chapter.  I'll be working on replacing the floor next ?


Chet...

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on November 28, 2017, 02:32:13 PM
Can anyone confirm my assumptions below.

While waiting for the wire harness I have been doing some clean up work in preparation for the floor installation.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info//1929/images/Build/Floor03.jpg)--(http://www.1948plymouth.info//1929/images/Build/Floor04.jpg)

My understanding of the rear pan's positioning:

According to my current information the pan should sit back approximately 72 and 3/8 inches from the front sill edge to the front edge of the wooden cross member that the pan attaches to.  I believe that the front edge of the seat pan sits back roughly 3/8 of an inch from the front face of the wood cross member.  The height off the finished floor is 2.5 inches.  Also the rear of the pan attaches through the rear triangular body braces.  Again my car is a 4dr. sedan.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/PanDiagram01.jpg)

A picture looking down on the front of the rear seat pan would be greatly appreciated.

Can anyone confirm these assumptions ?
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 01, 2017, 08:03:02 PM
Since I plan to rebuild the engine anyway and the wire harness is being created I decided to pull the engine so I can get it in the shop by mid January.  This way I can also clean up and paint the engine compartment which will make installing the new wire harness a breeze.  Also might be helpful putting in the front toe board.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor01.jpg)

I still need to disconnect the drive shaft and pull the transmission, remove the peddles, and remove the master cylinder.  Then I should be able to lower the bell housing and turn the engine enough to clear the steering box.  Anyone have any suggestions for clearing the steering box.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor02.jpg)

Tks,  Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on December 02, 2017, 05:56:08 PM
Chet, if memory serves correctly, you have the right idea.  Lower the rear to clear the steering while raising the front end over the frame and bringing forward.  You won't have any problems.   frank

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 02, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
 
Thanks Frank, Seems reasonable. 

I will say it was much easier removing the drive shaft & transmission without the car floor.  It was almost fun.  When I first installed those new disks, it was all work under the car.  Today it was nice sitting on a cross member and working on the rear axle.  I have a feeling that my floor panels are going to become removable.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor04.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 04, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
The Motor is Out...

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor05.jpg)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor06.jpg)

It appears to me that the Bell Housing was possibly Silver like the Head.

How do you guys feel about having the Bell Housing, The Head, and the intake manifold all the same color silver.  The exhaust standard Orange and the Block Flat Black.

It would definitely be an eye catcher...

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor07-01.jpg)

There is a gentleman in New Castle Delaware who has a 29U 4dr Sedan which is an original unmolested car.  Will pay him a visit to photograph the wire harness and interior.  Yes Original Interior.  I'll get the low down on the engine colors.  I suspect everything black except the head.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Articifer Tom on December 04, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
Hello Chet ,  So your engine is not original paint ,your saying . I do not know about orange manifold ,where did you see  that?  Also see what Dupli. Color or Rusto. Color matches  . The salesman book on my truck with Ply. 4 says head is Gray, not Silver with block  black . Was thinking of using a aluminum color hi-temp . But discussion on aaca seems to think water cooling engine surface temp will only be about or below 210*F ,boiling point  most paints can easily with standing , excluding manifold .
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 04, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: Articifer Tom on December 04, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
Hello Chet ,  So your engine is not original paint ,your saying . I do not know about orange manifold ,where did you see  that?  Also see what Dupli. Color or Rusto. Color matches  . The salesman book on my truck with Ply. 4 says head is Gray, not Silver with block  black . Was thinking of using a aluminum color hi-temp . But discussion on aaca seems to think water cooling engine surface temp will only be about or below 210*F ,boiling point  most paints can easily with standing , excluding manifold .

Hi Tom,

Just going off the deep end a bit. Will stay with the stock colors.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on December 04, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Well now Chet.  Those circus colors would go nicely with the polka dot interior!  Could have some interesting combos in those taxi's, you know.   Engine came out easy since you didn't mention issues?    frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 05, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: frankp on December 04, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Well now Chet.  Those circus colors would go nicely with the polka dot interior!  Could have some interesting combos in those taxi's, you know.   Engine came out easy since you didn't mention issues?    frank

Yes engine came out with no problems.  Once the Bell Housing cleared the mounting brackets a slight turn to the left and the engine cleared the steering box.  No issues.  Today I load it into the back of the pickup for the drive north.

About the colors, OK, ok I lost my head.  Although it would be entertaining to see 22 clowns running in and out of the car.  Very reminiscent of an Air Show I attended recently with my P15.  Walked away to get a burger for lunch and found a whole family including three kids jumping up and down on the seats in my 48 Plymouth.  Now I lock the doors when I wander away.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on December 07, 2017, 01:07:45 PM
Interesting on the colors...my block, bell housing and intake are black, exhaust has no paint on it, and head is silver.  Used Rustoleum heat resistant silver BBQ paint for the head I did a couple years ago and has held up well.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 14, 2017, 12:26:04 PM
The Motor Continued...

I delivered the motor safe and sound to J&M Machine in Southborough, Massachusetts.  They keep a Facebook Page and will be sharing photos of the rebuild in progress.  If anyone is interested the link is below and you do not have to be a Facebook member to view the pictures.  John reports that the pistons are the original stock size.  My assumption is that this is the first major rebuild.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/J-and-M-Machine-Co-Inc-270076059772640/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1467684380011796 (https://www.facebook.com/pg/J-and-M-Machine-Co-Inc-270076059772640/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1467684380011796)

The weather has turned a little cold but I have still been making progress.  I sent out my Original Generator and Starter motor to Don Allen in Florence, Oregon.  Don was featured on JAY  LENO'S  GARAGE.  Don will be completely restoring these parts to original like new condition.  This includes rewinding and wiring both the Generator and Starter motor with all new parts.  A "like new" engine deserves a "like new" Generator and Starter.  Below is a link to Don's web site.

https://www.gener-nator.com/index.htm (https://www.gener-nator.com/index.htm)

Neither one of these processes are inexpensive and just my personal choice.  Currently I am waiting for the wiring harness so if the weather gets better I will start on cleaning up the front frames and engine firewall.  Of course working on the toe board will be a lot easier without the engine.

Happy Holidays,  Chet...


Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on December 14, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Happy Holidays to you and everyone else as well...looking forward to seeing the progress of the rebuild!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Articifer Tom on December 14, 2017, 03:53:37 PM
Yeah !  Chet hope you did not go up I81 with out stopping to say hello . Live at Jct of I81 x I80 .
Checked JM site man engine is dirty and water plugs where about to go on you . .
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 14, 2017, 04:59:21 PM
Tom,

I thought you lived in upstate NY.  I am not sure where i81/i80 are.., we just let the GPS lead us to where we needed to go.  I believe we were on i81 between Bridgeport & Hartford.  Probably 81 to 84 just don't remember now.  Are you in Connecticut or NY ?  We were only in NY long enough to get from NJ to Connecticut. 
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Articifer Tom on December 14, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
No middle of eastern Pa. Hour and half north of Hershey .  You probably went up I 95 thur Jersey .
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 14, 2017, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: Articifer Tom on December 14, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
No middle of eastern Pa. Hour and half north of Hershey .  You probably went up I 95 thur Jersey .

That's right, I knew you were North and not in Connecticut.  Either way I'll be going back to get the motor when they are finished.

As far as the motor is concerned yes we were right on the edge of usefull life.  Basically fixing many years of neglect and not just the motor.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on December 16, 2017, 06:48:35 AM
The pictures by J & M should keep us entertained.  Been a long time since seeing a bare engine and all the parts.  I may have to remove my valve spring cover to see how bad it is.  Hope all goes smoothly.      frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 20, 2017, 09:43:01 AM
Anyone have these rear mounts re-vulcanized.  If so how did they come out ?

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor11.jpg)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 20, 2017, 05:47:37 PM
Odds & Ends

While the motor and other items are out for repair I cleaned up the front section of the frame.  The electrical harness arrived rather quickly so I also stripped the firewall and prepped it for paint.  Once these final areas are cleaned and painted I can install the wiring harness and get the car ready for the rebuilt engine.  Fingers crossed.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_043.jpg)

I removed the rear motor mounts.  These items have been in the car since it was manufactured.  The rubber was as hard as a rock.  I will send these out to have new rubber volcanized onto the existing mounts.  I painted the inner sections of the front frames.  This was the only portion of the frame that I hadn't gotten to.   I cleaned and painted the outer sections when I did the front suspension work.

Getting the firewall ready for paint basically took two days.  Stripping all the brackets and misc. items allow me to be able to strip the old paint off.  It's much easier to do if you don't have to negotiate around objects.  So it took two days to prepare the surface to spray 60 seconds of primer twice.  I was able to bring the garage air temperature up to 63 degrees with 36% humidity.  Not bad considering it was in the high forties outside.

The space heater in front of the firewall is just to keep the temperature near the firewall at 70-75 degrees.   Primer dries quickly so I will let it dry for a couple of hours.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_045.jpg)

Saturday the outdoor temperature might possibly go into the low 60's.  If it doesn't rain I'll paint the finish coat.

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on January 01, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
Well New Year / Change of Plan

After reviewing where I am going with this project it's clear that my old car needs to be completely repainted.  Since the car is totally stripped down now I have to switch gears and decide on a body color that is in the very least close to an original color.  I thought Black which is easy and non controversial but then the original color of my car was the lighter Blue.  I would guess Marine Blue.   I can't start assembling things including installing the wire harness if I will be painting the car at a later date.  Easier to paint now then start installing items for the last time.

Need Guidance:
Any words of wisdom ??  The old paint on the 29 is very stable.  The red paint that has been on the car for over 10 years and is in perfect shape.  Maybe an easy repaint.  ?  Maybe Maaco ?

Costs are piling up with the complete engine rebuild, new suspension all around, refurbished starter & generator and not yet re-chromed surround and bumpers, interior seats, roof, and items I haven't considered yet.   Need to save someplace any suggestions.  The upholstery I can do myself although I might have someone do the exterior roof ??

Any comments ?   Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Crazydave on January 01, 2018, 08:28:21 PM
Quote from: chetbrz on January 01, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
Well New Year / Change of Plan

Need Guidance:

  • Firewall painted same as body
No. Black. I have spots I can see the primer under it, positive it was never the body color.
  • In a two tone car lets say Blue Body with Black trim & Black fenders
Yep
  • Dashboard Question ?  What color
Black
  • Window Trim Metal ?  What color
Black
  • Holding down costs / paint myself / find a cost affective solution
No input from me
[/list] Any words of wisdom ??  The old paint on the 29 is very stable.  The red paint that has been on the car for over 10 years and is in perfect shape.  Maybe an easy repaint.  ?  Maybe Maaco ?

Any comments ?   Chet...

You know your skill set best, seem pretty talented at what ever you take on.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on January 01, 2018, 08:58:06 PM

This is Great News Dave,

I had already painted the firewall black and being that the Dash was originally black.., this means that I can install the wiring harness and motor without painting the entire car now.  I can leave the body painting for a later date.  GREAT NEWS....

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Paint01.jpg)

Back to my original plan.  :)  8)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Carson on January 06, 2018, 10:00:24 AM
Sir;  Two months  ago I bought a 1929 U fourdoor with what I think is original upholstery.  I would be glad to send pictures if you like.  Regards Carson
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on January 06, 2018, 03:43:26 PM
Hi Carson,

Welcome!  You will find we are all partial to pictures.  If your choke knob has original printing, I would love a close-up of it.

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on January 08, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
Frank's correct please do post pictures.

Chet
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on January 10, 2018, 11:18:30 AM

29U Engine Refurbishment Update:

All engine parts have been cleaned and crack checked.  NO Cracks in either Head or Block.!!!

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor021.jpg)

Link to all engine progress pictures at J&M Machine.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/J-and-M-Machine-Co-Inc-270076059772640/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1467684380011796 (https://www.facebook.com/pg/J-and-M-Machine-Co-Inc-270076059772640/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1467684380011796)

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on January 10, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
Now that's pretty.  How much of the babbitt will be used again?
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on January 10, 2018, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: frankp on January 10, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
Now that's pretty.  How much of the babbitt will be used again?

In talking to John the builder.., he said everything new.  I know for sure they will redo all the babbitts (Their specialty).  New rings & pistons.  I will ask him for all the old parts since he said the pistons were the original correct size.  I didn't plan on any performance touch ups. Stock.

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on January 25, 2018, 12:23:31 PM
Winter Work / Odds & Ends:

The board has been so quiet I figured a quick update wouldn't hurt. The weather especially the cold weather has forced me from the garage but I am trying to continue to make progress even though my hands-on time has been greatly impacted.

What's in the works currently:
(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/RT08_003.jpg)
(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_046.jpg)

I founded this window regulator on eBay.  It was frozen and not functional.  I was able to clean it up in my ultrasonic cleaner.  The ultrasound did a great job freeing up the mechanism.  The paint will preserve it for another 100 years.   BTW my driver's side door regulator's teeth were gone.  This one was a welcome surprise.
(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Door02.jpg)
Part after cleaning, lube, and paint.
(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Door01.jpg)

Well back to the grind.  Working on some indoor home improvement projects.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 02, 2018, 09:57:29 AM
I received the Generator, Starter, and Carburetor back from repair.  The Generator and Starter were completely rewound and all new component parts installed.  See below:

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor12.jpg)

The Starter:
(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor13.jpg)

The Carburetor - Looks Good but I am not familiar with the builder so we will have to see how well it works once I get the motor back.  Of course I will get the motor tuned up with my old Tillotson Carb which I know works.
(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Motor14.jpg)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 02, 2018, 02:32:47 PM
Chet,

Very snazzy!  is there a diode in the relay?  Does the carb man sell parts?

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 02, 2018, 07:36:22 PM
Quote from: frankp on February 02, 2018, 02:32:47 PM
Chet,

Very snazzy!  is there a diode in the relay?  Does the carb man sell parts?

frank

Check your email.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: 29UJohn on February 03, 2018, 09:07:19 AM
If you are pleased with the rebuilders, it would be good if we could list them somewhere on the web site as references.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on February 08, 2018, 11:23:19 AM
Post pics of the motor once all assembled!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 08, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
The Front Floor Section

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/02082018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/02082018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Floor05.jpg)

Ted... Don't worry pictures will come as progress continues.

Cheers, Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on February 09, 2018, 09:12:42 AM
Looking good with the build on the link you provided...a quick question.  The battery box looks to sit parallel to the toe board/cross member.  Is this the way it is on the sedan?  My battery box and access cover sit parallel along the frame between the front seat and pedals.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 09, 2018, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: racertb on February 09, 2018, 09:12:42 AM
Looking good with the build on the link you provided...a quick question.  The battery box looks to sit parallel to the toe board/cross member.  Is this the way it is on the sedan?  My battery box and access cover sit parallel along the frame between the front seat and pedals.

Hi Ted,

I think we are on the same page.  I would greatly appreciate a picture of your floor.

My battery box does sit parallel to the frame and is between the front seat, pedals and parallel to the toe board (not installed yet).  Maybe the picture doesn't show this but remember I have no motor, pedals, or seats installed at the moment.  I had no original floor to pattern against so I created what I thought was most practical.  I decided on the three sections basically because it seemed practical to me.  Then Dave sent a picture of his front floor which reinforced to me that the designers of the Plymouth were also practical.  So in my case I can't conform to the letter of originality because I have nothing but an occasional picture to go by.  When the car is finished the floor will be covered by rubber matting in the front an a rug in the rear.   I strive for a reasonable facsimile but this is very hard to accomplish without documentation.  Unfortunately documentation is not available or at least I haven't found any.  Always interested in the details, these conversations will help the next guy that heads down this same path.

Good question, Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on February 12, 2018, 04:11:46 PM
I'll send a pic the next time I'm out in the garage...I think I sent John Fain some pics a couple years ago.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 13, 2018, 02:23:16 PM
Here's mine from the sedan.  I left plenty of room to maneuver the battery in/out.  I put flat aluminium on the bottom of two edges to support the cover.  They are slightly visible.  I did they same on the roadster.  I may have a pic of the cover, but don't see it.   
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 13, 2018, 05:12:26 PM
I guess we should have had this conversation earlier.  See picture below, I finished with the floor panels yesterday.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Floor11.jpg)

Ted texted these pictures to me this afternoon:

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/BatteryBoq03.jpg)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/BatteryBoq02.jpg)

In order to make the entire front section come out to facilitate changing the battery, which is the way it was originally designed, I would have to make new cross members and trash the maple hardwood plywood which was relatively expensive.  With the access door I cut into the front section I can change the battery without removing the entire front floor section.  I think I will leave it like this and let the next guy decide whether to convert the floor back or not.

BTW,

Anyone have pictures of the rear metal pan which is under the rear seat in the 4 dr. sedan.  It would be good to see how this matches up with the floor before I guess at it.  I believe it sits 1.5" off the floor in the front and attaches to the angle metal supports in the rear ???  I think ?

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 13, 2018, 07:11:06 PM
Here is all I have.  At least it shows the height based on the right angle support.  I thought I might have a pic of Dave's car, but don't.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 13, 2018, 07:27:35 PM

Frank,

Is the metal bracket original to the car or added on for extra support ?
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 13, 2018, 07:45:59 PM
Chet,  It was on the car.  Apologize for posting the floorboard a 2nd time - I'll try to remove, done.   frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 14, 2018, 11:35:37 AM
Frank or anyone with a 4 door,

Can you confirm the height of the Rear Seat Pan as 3" from the floor.  It seem correct but just want to make sure.

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 14, 2018, 01:28:33 PM
It will have to someone else, Chet.  My car is not accessible at this time.   frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: 29UJohn on February 14, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
It is just shy to 3+1/8 inches on my 4door sedan
John
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 14, 2018, 07:59:03 PM

Thanks John,

I believe we went down this path awhile back but just needed to check.  Three inches works for me and if you add the height of the metal you get a little more than 3".  It appears that we have a 9 degree cut on the top of the front pan wood support to facilitate the slope of the rear seat pan to the rear frame.  It all logically comes together.  The sides are a right triangle with a base of 17" and height of 3" using math the calculated angle = 9.8 degrees.  I measured approximately 9 degrees.  So I am in the ballpark.

Thanks for the quick response,  Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 16, 2018, 07:12:47 PM
The Full Floor Project

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
The beginning may look familiar but keep scrolling down.

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/02162018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/02162018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Floor16.jpg)

Cheers, Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: 29UJohn on February 16, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
Looking real good!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 28, 2018, 08:56:30 AM
Chet,

Just checked your engine rebuild.  Will be better than original.  4 ring pistons, mine has 3.  Your floor looks great and almost complete.  On to the top next?

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on March 01, 2018, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: frankp on February 28, 2018, 08:56:30 AM
...  On to the top next?

frank

Frank,

I'm not sure what's next.  Really can't close up the top until the dash and steering wheel are set back in.  Doing bits and pieces of odds and ends in between the crappy weather days.  Might do some wiring at least the stuff that will not get damaged if I put the motor back in.

That begs the question "What about paint and body work ?"  I'll say one thing.., you can spend money on a project like this faster than you can think about it.  I thought boats were a hole in the water you throw money into.  Sorry never miss an opportunity to complain.

So while I try to figure out what's next I am gathering up my chrome parts and delivering them to Paul's Chrome Plating in western PA. on Monday.  $$$   :)   Nothing like a long drive to sort things out.

Chet...

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on March 02, 2018, 07:10:21 PM
Chet,

Chrome cost should keep you alert on your trip. Let's see, bumpers, radiator shell; I didn't do my headlamps although one is a bit dodgy with shallow dents or tail lamp - good shape.

Surprised the steering column couldn't be installed before the top.  I know you said the light & hand throttle should be in place before top &/or headliner is installed.  I may have dropped the column in the engine compartment to get those controls out/in.

You are so right about feeding these beasts $$$, they are insatiable.  I try not to think about upholstery cost, but really needed it.  Expect to have the heap home next week, weather permitting - can't wait.  Mark did an excellent job.  Now, if we can get handles form Mike B.

Have a safe trip and keep us posted; know you will.

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on March 06, 2018, 04:13:19 PM
Hi Frank et al,

We got back yesterday from our trip to Pittsburg to see Paul's Plating.  I am having the front and rear bumpers, radiator surround, and the headlight buckets re-chromed.  I am also having the headlight buckets re-engraved with the manufacturing marks.   Cost $5,650  This includes repairing one of the headlight rings which needs to be soldered.

To add to my financial stress I spoke with the painter today and his work seems to be the least expensive.   I am going to try Maaco.   Before I add anything more to the car I want to get the exterior painted.  Then I will be putting things back for the last time.  Paint only approximately $1,972.30 for two tone paint job. Plus any additional body work.

No pain no gain.  The good news is that the wife seems to be into the program.

PS...   Are we sure that the firewall and dash and door sills were Black and not the body color ?  Any & all Comments Please.

I want to go with my car's original color...  Marine Blue  So the next step is to prep the car for paint.

Cheers, Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on March 06, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
Chet,

Goodness the cost of chrome these days!  You are having additional work done though.

You may want to get the top wood installed for stability.  Over spray is authentic, looking at Dave's, but it won't be seen.  Are you having the wheels included in the painting cost?  Same as body color, as you know.

I'm sure of black firewall.  border is where the horizontal meets the vertical.  See Plymouth Club page Judging Guide Group 1 .. Team 4 Engine Compartment

http://plymouthbulletin.com/guides/2012/Group1Team4.pdf

I always believed my dash was body color, but have no real proof.  Same for window mouldings, rear window trim and left/right pieces for windshield.

You'll have a fabulous car when finished!

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on March 06, 2018, 11:52:10 PM
All:

My dash and firewall are body colored, which may or may not be correct (I BELIEVE the dash, at least, is correct).  I see what the judging guide says, but is this fact for every Plymouth ever made or the interpretation of someone who wrote the guide?  Who knows if every car came off the assembly line this way without any variation, whether we're talking about firewall color or anything related to these cars.  Unfortunately, it seems there is a lot of "guesswork" on how they came out of the factory.  Seems like no one really knows 100% and we have to rely on original examples and/or photos which may not always be consistent with each other.

I commend Chet for his due diligence in trying to get his car as accurate as possible, as I would do the same.  Personally, I would go with body color on the firewall like later Mopars...So back to my question, is the guide "gospel" and 100% factual or a best "guesstimate" of how things were or should be?   

I would like to know, not trying to start an argument with anyone.

Ted
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: 29UJohn on March 07, 2018, 08:10:02 AM
Ted,

I agree with all you said.  There were very few of these cars produced in the first few years and documentation on those things is sketchy at best.

I once asked Earl Buton a pin stripe question. He basically told me that no one knows the details for certain on the early Plymouth's.

All we can do is the best we can with what information and clues we have about our early Plymouth's.

John
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on March 07, 2018, 10:24:52 AM
I, too, concur.  Earl didn't express the same hesitation with me and was very definitive.  Anyway, as he is the final arbiter for judging, I respected his knowledge (opinion) for how it was done and tried to follow.

Re: firewall color.  Here's Dave's car.  I have an old pic of my dash and will look for it.  Thought it was scanned in the past, but no.   frank

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on March 07, 2018, 11:41:56 AM

Very perplexing issue our cars.

First in answer to Franks comments: 

Frank, I agree with getting the roof installed along with any metal work that needs to be fabricated like the top metal door frame pieces.  My original pieces are mostly painted rust.  No.., the wheels are a project in themselves.  Just ask Ted. What a great job he did.  My wheels will just have to wait, right now I have bigger fish to fry. 

As far as the ambiguity of our cars go I have to think Dave's car is my standard at this point.  I am a member of the Delaware Valley Region and one of the other members is a former POC president who owns an original 29 Plymouth 4 door sedan.  Really nice guy Joe Hernandez.  His car hasn't moved in awhile and he said that when the weather gets warmer we could dig it out of the garage so I can get my eyeballs on yet another example of a 29 Plymouth.

Below is a picture of my dash from a work effort I haven't posted yet.  In sanding and working on the dash I believe the Blue that is coming up is the same blue overspray I found on the remains of some original wood pieces.  Can I definitively say that someone else didn't paint this car Blue before it was repainted Red, maybe or maybe it is the original color.  Who can really say.  Below the blue was a very stubborn, porous & gummy black.  This is the same I found on the firewall.  Primer or topcoat ?

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/Dash01.jpg)

I think as time goes on being 100% correct is impossible but getting 85% right might be attainable.  The main and most important thing is to be 120% happy with what you have.  I will have to read over the POC judging guide. The jury is still out but if I am not convinced I will comply to general agreement unless something other than that makes me happy.

:), Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on March 07, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
Chet,

As you reiterate, who knows for sure, and they made running changes during assembly.  I have Depressed Beam headlamps; roadster has Two-Lite.  Does this mean along the way both the Two-Lite were replaced on the sedan?  Could be, but they looked pretty neglected when I got it.  Oh well, another deduction, if having it judged.

I met Joe at a summer meet in Grand Rapids, MN.  I'm glad to hear he's still around and, I hope, in good health.  He was very cordial and laid-back and gave me a few suggestions on what was right and needed correcting without being heavy handed. Please say hello for me, although he may not remember me.  With his car and Dave's as examples, you can't help but be correct.  In my old age I have shaded from strictly 100% original, e.g. upholstery.  The blue is as close as I could find to the original and the headliner is a complementary shade of blue.  I've seen the "original" light taupe headliner and didn't care for the way it looked, so...

Woodworker and metal fabricator - what exactly don't you do?!!

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on March 07, 2018, 05:35:00 PM
Frank I'm not strict about anything the way I figure it is basically Mind over Matter.  "if you don't mind, it don't matter".

I will tell Joe you sent your kind regards.  Most of the people I have met in the Delaware Valley Region believe that its your car so do what makes you happy.  Which to me makes sense because that 's what a hobby is all about.  The only caveat is.., if you want it judged these are the guidelines.  Doesn't seem unreasonable.

Basically I am not trying to build a perfect repro but more like a family heirloom.  If both conditions get met then its serendipity.  (an aptitude for making desirable discoveries by accident.)  I love that word, it describes my life.

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on March 09, 2018, 07:04:40 PM
Well, I'm glad everyone took my comments as just comments and no one got upset...I was wondering if I was going to get "hammered" with replies :)

Anyway, regardless of which way you go Chet, I'm sure it's going to look great when done.  Whatever you are happy with is what matters most.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on March 10, 2018, 08:54:59 AM
Ted, if you need haranguing, someone will oblige!  I like to think we're a lot less snarky than a few of the AACA folks.

Thursday my car came home.  Mixed blessing, now the convert has to sit out.  Hoping we have no more heavy snows, ha.

Definitely can have your car any way you choose.  Only limited by imagination - practicality, maybe?
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on March 16, 2018, 01:52:31 PM
The Roof Progress

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/03162018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/03162018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Roof_06.jpg)

Thanks for all the help with this, Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on March 28, 2018, 03:31:54 PM
The Roof Progress Continued

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/03282018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/03282018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Roof_09.jpg)

Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)

Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on March 28, 2018, 07:05:09 PM
Chet,  Great work! Your ingenuity continues to amaze!    frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on March 29, 2018, 09:37:19 AM
What Frank said!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on March 29, 2018, 01:51:18 PM
Thanks guys,

Beautiful day today getting a lot done.  73 degrees at 1:50 PM
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on April 05, 2018, 01:14:16 PM
The Roof Lath

I took advantage of the summer like weather and made some incremental progress to the old car.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/04052018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/04052018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Roof_16.jpg)

Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on April 06, 2018, 03:11:19 PM
Nice repair on the dash.  You may want to re-think painting the dash in situ.  Getting adequate coverage on ends, bottom and back might be difficult.   frank

(Like your "sooner or later" to John.  The "later" is what worries me)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on April 06, 2018, 04:14:45 PM
You're right about the Dash Frank, but I will still need it installed.  I don't want them disassembling the dash especially because of the obsolete surface screws.  I'll mask it with brown paper and paint it separately or work something out with the shop.  I would like to remove all the fenders.  It would make for sharp paint edges by painting the fenders off the car.  I think the painter might prefer doing it this way.   I'll talk with him when the time comes. In the very least I most definitely want the rear fenders removed and painted separately.  Still quite a bit away but getting ever closer.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on April 06, 2018, 07:46:07 PM
Chet,

You're handy with a welder, you could fab an angle iron piece in place of the dash.  The steering column could be securely attached for wheeling wherever.  If you choose to use body color, dash is ready to shoot with car, along with interior window trim; I know you won't forget the rear window - I did but my upholsterer didn't.
As you say, fender removal is a requisite for a good gloss black all over.  Mine were painted separately.  I'm sure you know the panel under the doors down to the running boards is black, at least on my car.

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: 29UJohn on April 06, 2018, 09:28:17 PM
Chet,
I can loan you the original dash from my car. It had too many holes cut into it to use otherwise.  I used it to move my car to the paint and body shop.

John
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on April 08, 2018, 08:45:39 AM
Thanks John for the offer.  I don't see this as a big problem. The dash is easily masked so for now I think we will be OK.

Anyway still time before the car goes to paint. I have top door sills to make and also some other body work. I would like to finish with the needed repair to the door wood frames.  Maybe paint over the summer, we will see how much progress gets accomplished.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on May 23, 2018, 11:09:24 AM
Prep for Paint - Door Repairs.

Lots of things going on this spring but did manage to fit in some car progress.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/05232018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/05232018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/DoorFrame09.JPG)

Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on May 23, 2018, 07:37:53 PM
Chet,  Check your link, the one for the plymouthowners.club is correct.

Are you sure you don't want to install window regulator until after paint?  My recollection is the slotted screws face out towards inner door skin.

Great work!

frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on May 23, 2018, 09:11:38 PM
Quote from: frankp on May 23, 2018, 07:37:53 PM
Chet,  Check your link, the one for the plymouthowners.club is correct.

frank

Frank I don't understand. What do you mean about the POC link.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on May 23, 2018, 11:26:04 PM
Chet,  Never mind, I screwed up!  I blame the beer.   frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on May 24, 2018, 05:00:24 PM
Frank,  FYI

All the glass, glass channels, window weather stripping, etc., I will install after the paint.  Makes for a much cleaner look.  The door's center board is easily removed.  Basically I installed the door locks to ensure all doors close properly and it will make the transport easier.  Also less masking for the painter.

Cheers, Chet...



Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on June 11, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
Prep for Paint - Upper Door Frame Repairs.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/06102018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/06102018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/DoorFrame17.jpg)

Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on June 15, 2018, 12:55:43 PM
Great work, as usual, Chet!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on August 04, 2018, 07:15:55 PM
Update on Motor & Pressure Plate

Well its been 2 years since this car has been out of the garage so it was nice to roll her out and see it sitting on its own four wheels.  Also cleaning the garage bay was a welcome task.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/IMG_1305.jpg)

I ran the engine for a little while but shut it down after 5 minutes because the valves were making a lot of noise and need to be adjusted.  Vacuum was excellent and oil pressure was at max 38-40psi with the vacuum fuel line plugged and the pressure relief valve set to minimum pressure.  I will stabilize this once the engine is broken in a bit longer.  Right now the high oil pressure is a friend.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/IMG_1306.jpg)

I used the known good old wiring and carburetor.  Once I stabilize everything I will try the new carb but then again.., I might wait until the car is back from the paint shop. 

Up Date on pressure plates.

I received the new style plate in the mail today and it is in excellent condition and the clutch doesn't look like it has 500 miles on it yet.

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/PressurePlate13.jpg)

Also purchased the two early Plymouth pressure plates from the AACA post.  Hopefully make at least one good one from the two I purchased and the parts I have left from my original,  Maybe get two goods ones out of the deal, fingers crossed?

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/galley/var/resizes/chetbrz/PressurePlate11.jpg)

Sometimes it seems like two steps forward and one back.., but making some progress.

Chet...


Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Articifer Tom on August 04, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
Looking great Chet ! So the other plates were old style , which you using  ?   Also is carb on right direction , not familiar with the cars ? But love seeing it .
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on August 04, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: Articifer Tom on August 04, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
Looking great Chet ! So the other plates were old style , which you using  ?   Also is carb on right direction , not familiar with the cars ? But love seeing it .

The carb is not correct but I know it works.  And yes the direction is incorrect.

I have the correct brass bowl but will install after I work the bugs out of the motor.

Not sure yet which pressure plate I will use.  The one from Jay appears to be a much better design.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on August 05, 2018, 09:55:24 AM
Looks great in the sunlight.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on November 18, 2018, 02:55:34 PM
Prep for Paint - Last of the Door/Door Frame Repairs.

I started on this in June and over the summer have been distracted by a number of things but this weekend I finally completed this section of my project.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/11182018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/11182018.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/DoorFrame20.jpg)

Link to prior door frame repair June 10, 2018:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/06102018.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2018/06102018.htm)

Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on November 19, 2018, 08:25:45 AM
Nice Chet!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on November 20, 2018, 05:12:21 PM
Great job!  Well done and that much closer to completion.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 04, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Prep for Paint - Body Work.

Well we finally got some nice weather so I was able to start the body work that needs to be finished prior to paint. 
It looks like I will get my motor back shortly so I will be able to get some wrench time during the colder weather. 
Need warmer temperatures for the body work.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/02022019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/02022019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_048.jpg)

Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on February 05, 2019, 09:12:54 AM
Looks good Chet...can't wait to see the further progress!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 05, 2019, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: racertb on February 05, 2019, 09:12:54 AM
Looks good Chet...can't wait to see the further progress!

Ted, Me too.  Hopefully pickup the motor this weekend.  Maybe find out later today.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 05, 2019, 03:44:46 PM
Progress, as always.  If the shop id the problem with your motor, I have forgotten the answer.  Good to get it back.   frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 05, 2019, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: frankp on February 05, 2019, 03:44:46 PM
Progress, as always.  If the shop id the problem with your motor, I have forgotten the answer.  Good to get it back.   frank

Frank they had to redo #1 & 2 babbit bearings. Suspected cause lack of lubricant.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on February 05, 2019, 07:40:41 PM
Well, I'm glad when mine was done they used plenty of assembly lube or primed pump or whatever before giving it to me.  I don't remember doing anything out of ordinary before starting.  In fact, I believe the last shop ran it first for a bit before delivery.

Chet, I'm sure it will go well this time.   frank
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on February 06, 2019, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: frankp on February 05, 2019, 07:40:41 PM
Well, I'm glad when mine was done they used plenty of assembly lube or primed pump or whatever before giving it to me.  I don't remember doing anything out of ordinary before starting.  In fact, I believe the last shop ran it first for a bit before delivery.

Chet, I'm sure it will go well this time.   frank

I'll let you know.  Picking up the motor this Saturday.  Fingers cross.  They checked out all the oil ports and they are all free from debris.  Clear through the mains and crank.  I really need this to work out OK.  I need a shot of enthusiasm to get going again !!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on August 15, 2019, 08:36:51 PM
Prep for Paint - Continued.

Well I finally stopped procrastinating and got a little work done.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/June-July2019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/June-July2019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_054.jpg)

Chet...

Link to Build Thread Part 1
http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0 (http://www.1948plymouth.info/28Q29U/index.php?topic=1102.0)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on September 03, 2019, 10:07:13 AM
Prep for Paint - Continued.

It's hard to believe that on October 29 I will start the fourth year of this project.  There is still a lot to be done but getting the car to the paint shop before the extreme cold weather sets in will be a big step toward completion.  It seems that the project is dragging but each completed task gets me closer to driving this car again.  Like reaching the halfway point in a marathon.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/09022019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/09022019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_063.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Crazydave on September 03, 2019, 10:44:44 AM
Nice Chet. One of these days when I get back after the car, I know I'll be digging up info from your threads. Thanks!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on September 15, 2019, 12:34:06 PM
Prep for Paint - Continued.

Finally making incremental progress.  All the fenders are completed.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/09152019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/09152019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_069.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on September 22, 2019, 11:24:09 AM
Prep for Paint - Continued.

Moving right along.  All the fenders & misc. parts are in the paint shop. 

Fixing loose ends on the body before it has its turn.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/09222019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/09222019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Body_070.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on October 15, 2019, 03:58:15 PM
Reassembly - Finally  :)

While the car is at the paint shop I started on the Dash Components. 

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/10152019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/10152019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Electrical03.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on October 17, 2019, 07:49:57 PM
Looking good...like the ignition switch label!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: ski on October 17, 2019, 10:50:06 PM
Nice work as usual Chet.  Great documentation of all your progress on your web page too!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on October 18, 2019, 08:28:00 AM
Thanks guys for the At-a-boys.

I think the documentation will help someone thinking about doing something like this.  Definitely a project that involves years of work. Just finishing up on year 3.  Spent 8 years of weekends on my 48 Plymouth definitely a learning experience. 
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on November 20, 2019, 03:58:45 PM
Reassembly - Electrical Harness  :)

With the car safely back from the paint shop I am able to make some serious progress on the reassembly.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/11202019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/11202019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Electrical_06.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on November 24, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
Reassembly - CLUM Switch/Horn Button  :)

Long write up. 

I'm glad this is finished without any damage to these very rare parts.  There is a lot of info already on this site which helped make this a little easier.

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures, I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/11242019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/11242019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Electrical_12.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: racertb on November 24, 2019, 01:21:21 PM
Great explanation and pics Chet!  As you know, I did this last year and it is fairly easy if you take your time with it and follow the process as you laid out. 
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on November 24, 2019, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: racertb on November 24, 2019, 01:21:21 PM
Great explanation and pics Chet!  As you know, I did this last year and it is fairly easy if you take your time with it and follow the process as you laid out.

Good job Ted, My main concern was dropping one of the control tubes and busting off one of the arms.  So far so good.  :)
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: cars4u on November 26, 2019, 12:09:24 PM
Where did you get the ignition switch label? Just curious.
Hardy
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: Russ T. Fender on November 26, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
I am right at the point of doing what you just did and can't tell you how great it is to have your pictures and narrative available as a reference.  Doing this stuff blind is scary when you realize that replacement parts don't exist if you screw something up.  What a great resource!
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on November 26, 2019, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: cars4u on November 26, 2019, 12:09:24 PM
Where did you get the ignition switch label? Just curious.
Hardy

I got the label from forum member Frankp in 2014.  I don't know where he got them from.  He probably had them made up.

Russ, That's why I encourage everyone to share there repair experiences.

BTW... If the horn wire doesn't come out easily you might have to pry the insulator up.  Make sure you get under the insulator's bottom metal ring.  Pry between the adjustment slide and the metal ring.  In my case I had to pry on both sides at the same time before it came free.
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: chetbrz on December 29, 2019, 01:23:21 PM
My Last Project Update for 2019 :)
Happy New Year to All

Just tying up some loose ends for 2019.  It's been a very productive year.  Come January I hope to jump on the old milk crate and drive this car out of the garage on its own power.  Not road worthy yet but we will get there soon.  It looks like 2020 will be a year for esthetics.

I hope you all have many things to be thankful for:

http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/12292019.htm (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2019/12292019.htm)

(http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/Build/Motor26.jpg)

Chet...
Title: Re: 29 Build Thread - Part 2
Post by: frankp on December 29, 2019, 06:39:12 PM
It's been quite a while to recognize everyone's work.  Missed Christmas, but Happy New Year to all.

I had the Brake Fluid reservoir label made from an original and have for sale.

I had decals made for the Ignition plate, Spark knob and Choke knob.  Contact Bill at precision design https://www.pdc.ca/rr/custom_decals/
These are thin film and tricky to use.  You be the judge on how they look.

frank