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#181
General Discussion / Re: Juice brakes
October 15, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
Chrysler played fast and loose with the truth about their hydraulic brakes. I have ads that say " like every Chrysler ever made this 1935 Plymouth has hydraulic brakes". Wrong! In 1924,the 1st year of Chrylser, they had split brakes with mechanical on the rear and hydraulics on the front. There is some indication the very first Chrysler 4s had mechanicals all around. Whether any of those got out is not known. But like Gary 30U says they still had rear mechanicals in 1927. External contracting at that. But by 1928 all Chrysler products had hydraulics all around with a mechanical band brake on the rear of the transmission for a parking/emergency brake. This setup would not change for 20 some years or until the parking brake went to an under dash pull chromed 'T' or 'L' and then to a pedal.  
#182
General Discussion / Re: 28Q headlights
October 15, 2012, 10:23:41 AM
Ford Model As did not use the same headlights as our 28 and 29 or 30U Plymouths. Fords were stainless steel and I believe Ford was the only car in that era to use stainless in it's headlights,rad shell and cowl band. Ours are chrome plated steel buckets made by Depress Beam. They are bigger and fatter than Fords. Desoto shared the Plymouth Depress Beam headlights in those early years.     
#183
General Discussion / Re: Radiator cap question
October 15, 2012, 10:14:14 AM
The '28 and '29 Plymouths used the same winged Viking Helmet cap. It was an option but I suspect every car came with one. They were usually about $2. The 30U had a plain cap with a single wing in the center. The '31s had the Flying Lady or Mermaid which remained on until the 1934 used the chrome ship in profile. Both these '28/'29 caps in the photos have the same problem that they all eventually had, the wings are broken off. Repros are available and I would hustle and get one before the guys making them aren't around anymore. The rad medallion is in good shape and I would just like to point out that the medallion is NOT chromed.They are plain copper or brass and stayed that way until the end of '33 as far as I know. Many owners are chroming these medallions because they think the chrome has worn off. It has not. If you think about it,a chromed medallion would visually disappear into chrome of the rad shell. Something Chrysler would not want. This includes the side mount medallions and rear tire cover medallions. All were plain copper or brass. They appear to have changed to brass in 1931 as the base metal. But I'm not certain.        
#184
General Discussion / Re: Hubcaps - What do these fit?
October 15, 2012, 09:07:06 AM
Those hubcaps are for a specific short lived Plymouth called a 'Thrift'. Chrysler offered a cheap version of it's 1931 PA in a 2 or 4 door sedan in black only with wooden artillery wheels which appear to be left over from the 30U. It also lacked a temperature gage on the dash and free wheeling as a further reduction in cost. In 1931 Plymouth changed it's logo on it's hubcaps from a single 'P' on the 1930 30U caps to this full word with the 2 half moons on either side. This logo continued from '31 through '33. The '34 hubcaps sport a different logo. A 'full price' '31 PA which came in all the body styles had wire wheels and full face flat hubcaps with this logo and snapped into a 6" hole in the wire wheels. These Thirfts were the last of the screw on hubcaps for Plymouth or any other Chysler vehicle. The Thrift is quite rare today and I know of none existant. I know of another set of these Thrift caps for sale that have been in a glass case on a counter at different flea markets around me for several years. They were still for sale in Sept. No one has the car to put them on. Maybe these will find a home on the world wide net. (I have 2 myself. One good one and one in it's 2 pieces with quite a dent in the lower body.)