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General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: November 03, 2012, 04:02:27 AM »
Hi OM.  Thanks for the detailed instructions.  It all makes sense; all I lack is the confidence that I know exactly what i'm doing!  I think I will save this job for when I move my car back to the big shop.  It has I-beam columns and I am pretty certain those are not going to move (there's 5 yards of concrete in the footing under each one!!).  I am afraid if I put an I-bolt in the garage wall (which is a common wall with the living room) and manage to put a crack in the new dry wall, I might as well pack up, move into the garage, and learn to cook ramen on a hot plate!  I will talk to my body and frame friend tomorrow about trammeling my car.  Also, I have a neighbor just down the road that builds street rods for a living.  He has a "table" for truing up frames and chassis's.  I will talk to him too.  Maybe I can hire him and use his expertise (that is if he is willing to work on a restoration project).  Seems to me that getting the body and frame square with the rest of the world is a fundamental step to complete before doing a lot of the remainder of the restoration.  I've thought about it some.  With engine and trans out of the car, it seems to me that once the frame is supported, leveled, and squared up, that I could use a center point on a frame cross-member from which to take the other measurements to points on the body.  Lots to think about.  Anyhow, you have given me great info and it is something that I will do.  Thanks for your help.  I'll let you know how this turns out.  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: November 02, 2012, 08:23:44 AM »
...the other 2 pics that go with above...

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: November 02, 2012, 08:21:55 AM »
Did a little more PolyAll work on the top front wood piece today.  Sequence: sanded work site to clean wood of paint & dirt, air blasted, 1st coat PolyAll only; 2nd coat with sawdust filler in PolyAll on un-sanded 1st coat, then sanded, air blasted; 3rd coat PolyAll only, then sanded, air blasted.  Tonight or tomorrow will put another coat of fine wood filler on, sand it, then follow it with a final (hopefully) 5th coat of PolyAll.  Then I will move on to the other half of the front top wood piece (visible is some of the pics).  Will have to put the pictures in a couple of posts; I can only fit 2 pics on each post.  Hope I'm not boring you all!

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: November 02, 2012, 03:35:16 AM »
Hi OM. should be a challenge.  I have a friend who is a retired body and frame guy and also an old car buff.  I hope to recruit him...I've already spoken to him about the door fit issue I posted here.  He can probably help me "trammel" the body.  I understand the importance of getting the frame level (and square too I presume) then using a fixed point on the center of the frame as the reference point for measurements to different places on the body.  The motor and transmission are out of the car now but I expect I can use a centerline point on a frame crossmember.  But I am not sure I understand all the details about the "point on the wall".  I presume one would have measure from the wall point to a couple of points on the frame to make certain the frame was "square" with the wall first, then once that is good, start making measurements from the wall point to points on the body.  Is this correct?  I have done nothing with any adjustments or shimming yet.  I wanted to make sure I knew how to go about it so that I didn't make things worse by doing the wrong thing.  But I suspect that since these cars were made of a combination of wood and steel that these bodies were pretty "loosey-goosey" and that the fit "lines" were never very good or consistent.  This is hard for a perfectionist who tends to want everything exactly right!  Thanks so much for taking the time to respond and explain to me how to trammel the body.  I'm not going to tackle this right now but I will let you know what I find when I do this.  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 31, 2012, 10:09:57 PM »
OK, I need some help from you all.  While working on the top wood, I have noticed that the doors are not aligned properly.  The R door especially is hanging down on the handle side.  If I could put it up where it needs to be in order for the beauty lines to line up, the top of the door will rub on the top metal of the door frame (the part beneath the top R wood piece.  The door frame is up as far as it is going to go.  I don't see any way to adjust anything, even the door.  So, how do I get the doors to fit the opening properly and still have clearance at the top.  The 1st pic shows the misalignment at the door handle side.  The 2nd pic shows the minimal clearance at the top now; there is less clearance above the middle of the door and more clearance above either end (by at least 1/4+ inch).  Some one out there must have faced this same problem.  Thanks for the help.  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 31, 2012, 04:05:39 AM »
Hey SDGlenn.  Good to hear from you.  You are right about the guys that built these early Plymouths...I can't imagine that job.  Basically, they built the skeleton of a car out of wood, then nailed the sheet metal to it!  It's got to be a big job to re-do the wood; mine is in pretty good shape but it will still take a lot of time to get it the way I want it.  Little by little.  Your comment about the toothpics looking like some ashtrays you had seen made me laugh out loud!  It's got even more toothpics now all the way around the top....the car kind of looks like a kid with one of those spikey hair do-s!  My garage/shop was a long time coming...for many years we didn't have a garage at all.  Then my wife decided to remodel the place.  I went along with that as long as I got my own garage/shop.  She wanted a dining room (among other things) but decided that the designer's plans put it in the wrong place (it was to share a wall with my garage).  She decided we should gut the utility/mud room to make a dining room.  The planned dining room would become part of my garage!  I didn't argue at all!! I appreciate you replies.  Take care.  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 30, 2012, 03:52:06 AM »
Chet:  here's a long view of the wood above the driver's door.  Let me know if you want more pics or measurements.  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 30, 2012, 03:50:06 AM »
Hi Chet.  Here you go.

"wood measuring in the center of the windshield":  1 3/4 inches top to bottom x 1 3/4 inches front to back

"dimentionally from windshield to top of roof: 4 7/8 inches from top of windshield opening to top of wood (but most of this is the steel that supports the sun visor.  (see pic)

"thickness of the wood at the center of driver side door:  2 1/4 inches top to bottom x 3 1/4 inches outside edge to inside edge.  (see pic; outside edge follows curve of door and body.

You will probably need some more info, so just let me know.  Glad to help.  There are 3 pics so there will have to be 2 posts. 
You can see that I am working on these top wood pieces right now.  I've almost emptied a box of 250 toothpics (each cut in half so that's almost 500 tack and nail holes I've filled so far...and more to go!).  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 29, 2012, 07:25:43 PM »
Just a follow-up picture and a short note.  I rough sanded the repair I did yesterday (about 14 hrs ago).  I used a sanding block with about 80 grit.  The PolyAll sanded easily and both the wood and repair sounded and felt solid.  I will go back and do some touch-up applications and more sanding of course, but I was happy with the outcome and how little total time it took to do this.  Back to work (read play).  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 29, 2012, 04:11:00 AM »
2 more pictures...

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 29, 2012, 04:09:11 AM »
Hello everyone.  I worked on a small part (about 6 inches adjacent to the corner I posted about) of the top front wood this afternoon.  Learned some more lessons too.  I put up a wood dam smeared with a light coat of silicon as a "mold release".  There was some missing wood around the left front corner that I wanted to fill.  PolyAll sets up fast; they're not kidding when they sat it sets in 3 minutes!  I thought I could brush it over the nail holes to let it run down in them, then tap in about a dozen toothpics, then put a second coat on around the base of the toothpics.  Well, the product set up after I got just a few toothpics in the holes.  I mixed up some PolyAll with sawdust to fill the big holes just like last time.  The sawdust slows down the set up time a lot and gives much more time to work the stuff into the bigger voids (probably about 6 minutes).  I am only mixing about 1 teaspoon of each; by the time I am finished with applying that little bit, it's beginning to set.  I am using those small tinning brushes; they're cheap and after 1 use they are done.  So, plan your job, don't try to cover too much ground, use small quantities of PolyAll, work fast, use disposable supplies, and cover any part of the car where the PolyAll may drip.  4 pics will follow; 2 here and 2 more in a second post.  Kim

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 28, 2012, 09:10:42 AM »
Thanks OM.  PolyAll is exactly as you described....really great stuff.  I was unsure what to do about some of the wood but all doubt is gone now after today's 1st experience working with PolyAll.  I will post pictures of the top front wood piece as I treat should make a good "show and tell".  I am attaching a picture now so you can see the wood piece I will be working on.  Thanks again OM for sharing your "find".  Kim 

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 28, 2012, 12:43:29 AM »
last picture of my PolyAll job...

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 28, 2012, 12:42:09 AM »
More pictures of the PolyAll repair job....

General Discussion / Re: I need some advise...
« on: October 28, 2012, 12:39:55 AM »
Well, I tried out the PolyAll recommended by the Old Man and SDGlenn.  You guys are right, that is great stuff.  Just follow the directions.  It only comes in two 16 0z cans (parts A & B) now; the shipping from Canada is almost as much as the product but it is worth it I think.  For the job I'll show you in the attached pictures I only used about a tablespoon of each.  I first built a dam to keep the liquid from running all over (I had the chore of having to remove the contents of a beer can first...tough job but someone had to do it).  I cut a piece of aluminum, slid it under the repair area and taped it in place.  Then I brushed on the liquid PolyAll to get it way back in the holes.  Then I mixed up a putty as directed using sawdust as a filler.  I packed it into the voids and holes with a steel punch.  I was also able to build the wood out to cover the opening at the top of the door post that needed to be closed (compare the 1st and last pics).  The stuff set up pretty fast but slow enough that I could work the sawdust mixture into the holes and smooth the surface.  I was pretty happy with my first job with this stuff.  I will work on the front wood piece above the windshield next; it has lots of cracks that PolyAll will fill very well.  I am going to try using the PolyAll to saturate the nail & tack holes, then tap tooth pics into the holes.  I'll follow that by another coat of PolyAll over the toothpics; I think that will be faster and maybe better that the wood glue routine I used first.  Either way, the wood should be ready for a new top someday without a bunch of old rusty holes in the wood (I think there may have been 3 tops; the original, the one put on in about 1956 when I got the car, and probably one other along the way before '56).  I'm going to have to put up the pictures in several posts; I've reduced the size of them as much as I know how to do.  Fun day in the shop with my project.  Have a good weekend.

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