Does anyone have any information on how many 29U 4 door sedans were built using body's by the Hayes Body Corp, or any information regarding these vehicle bodies?
After 43 years I am re-restoring my 1929U 4 door sedan and have run into a few minor issues with parts. According to the Body number plate, my 29U 4 door was built by the Hayes Body Corp. Searching thru the Master parts book I noticed different part numbers for the doors and outside door handles.
Does anyone else in the forum have a Hayes Body 29 Plymouth?
John,
My car is a Hayes Body and I believe all 1929 cars built for the US market were Hayes Body. This may have changed with the all steel body for the 30U and beyond. I don't know if any of my door hardware is original so I can't help with identification. I think I remember a past thread in this web that might have some clues so you might want to search the old posts. Also the POC Technical Advisor for 4 cylinder cars might be able to help you. racertb (Ted) has a nice original car though not a 4 door sedan
Cheers, Chet...
I have a Hayes body 4 door sedan I believe to be original, with a few replaced parts here and there. Looking to identify the correct handles (inside and out) window cranks etc.?
The Plymouth Master Parts List book often lists body parts as"Q, U" and below that will list a different part number for "U Hayes". Sometimes there will be a separate entry for "30-U ... Canadian built".
I only have a few interior handles, none are in good shape, only two are functional. I have an original T-handle for a rear window of the 4 door, and I have a windshield crank. If anyone has any good interior handles we could possibly get someone to remake them. I am having some non- locking outside door handles made. If they come out well I will let you know. One thing that concerned me is I obtained an old outside door handle that was supposeably for a 29 Plymouth, but the escutcheon was curved too much and the shaft was a little short. In short, it did not fit. That's when I checked the parts manual and discovered different part numbers for Outside door handles for 29 Plymouth 4 door sedan "Q, U" and "U Hayes".
I'll take an inventory of what I believe to be the correct handles. My locking one was busted when I got the car, I found a matching non locking on ebay that I will probably put in its place. I am afraid the other originals are going to break, they have stress cracks on them. For the time being I put hose clamps around the end to try and prevent them from splitting were they turn on the shaft. My is not a show car, we use it and have kids and people climbing all over it. So I am trying to keep it in its used original condition.
Be curious to see how your reproductions turn out. (and cost$)
What I understand is there are no production numbers available by model for '28 and '29; and Hayes made the 4dr sedan bodies in '28 and '29, Briggs made all the others. I too have noticed the different numbers for various parts and have no idea what the difference is.
The design on the interior hardware is the same 28 - 30. The 30 hardware is not made of pot metal and is less massive than 28, 29 which, I believe, are the same.
Also think this design used on other makes, possibly some Chrysler, DeSoto??
Her is a window crank and 2 sizes of the quarter window. The "smaller" handle is from a 1930U.
The T handle I have for my 29 is just like the one on the right.
If I cannot find any interior window handles, perhaps you would consider letting a reproducer borrow one from you to make a mold?
Quote from: 29UJohn on January 04, 2017, 09:11:02 PM
The T handle I have for my 29 is just like the one on the right.
If I cannot find any interior window handles, perhaps you would consider letting a reproducer borrow one from you to make a mold?
Count me in on any repro quantity. I need correct hardware inside and out. Chet...
Original inside door and window handles-
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/crazydave4455/1929%20Plymouth%20U/IMG_0922.jpg)
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(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/crazydave4455/1929%20Plymouth%20U/IMG_0925.jpg)
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The one on the left is an ebay find, listed as 29 but does not match any other one in my car. Notice its narrower, and the spinner(?) is different. Matches the one in Franks picture, but I don't believe its what my car came with.
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/crazydave4455/1929%20Plymouth%20U/IMG_0929.jpg)
Back windows crank and windshield
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/crazydave4455/1929%20Plymouth%20U/IMG_0928.jpg)
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Outside Door. My locking side is busted.
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr28/crazydave4455/1929%20Plymouth%20U/IMG_0921.jpg)
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I ordered a non- locking outside door handle from vintage reproductions. When it comes in I will let you know how well it fits and post a picture. The price is in Australian dollars, so cost will vary with the exchange rates. As for the other handles, since at least three of us are interested, we should be able to get them reproduced. There are three re producers that I am aware of still in the business, prices vary.
That T-handle is the nicest one I have seen, it would be good to get it reproduced too.
As for the handles, they very well might have varied somewhat. Did a DeLux version have different handles?
John,
Have you explored companies and their costs for reproducing these? Count on me for buying at least one of all interior handles; door, window, quarter window.
As you know, Jay Fisher re-produced the door and window handles with chrome finish. I bought his entire stock of those, 1 each, at Iola swap many years ago. (also the crank hole cover, which another is needed) He said his biggest cost was drilling the square mounting hole. Pic shows what is not presently on my car. The window knob is cracked and corroded a bit. Maybe it could be scanned, cleaned and 3d printed for casting purposes?
frank
Not yet. I will check with Don Sommer, Neil Butters and Vintage Reproductions. Do you know anyone else? Right now I am waiting to see if the door handles I have ordered are truly correct. I expect to receive them in about 6 weeks.
Dave,
Can you post the actual picture of the inside door handle, so I can send it to Neil Butters? Or email it to me?
John
johnrfain@gmail.com
Dave,
The pinstripes on your car - do they join into one stripe along the back, or continue as two stripes close together across the back of the car?
Quote from: 29UJohn on January 09, 2017, 11:01:40 PM
Dave,
Can you post the actual picture of the inside door handle, so I can send it to Neil Butters? Or email it to me?
John
johnrfain@gmail.com
Do you want a copy of one I posted? You should be able to just right click on the image and copy it or save as or even just grab it (left click) and drag it to a folder or on the desktop. I can take a few more if you like, and email if you prefer.
I'll go check in on her tomorrow and check out the pinstripes.
John, Paint job looks sharp! What color will your pin stripe be?
Dave,
Your picture of the original handles appear to be linked to a web based album and I cannot copy them.
Frank,
The pinstripes will be Dupont "Harvest Gold". It is the closest I can find to the original "Deep Gold Bronze" listed for a 1929 Sedan with Blue body.
That will look real good against the black. My pin stripe around the rear bead is single. Difficult to see in this picture. Top line of side follows the curve downward in the moulding. frank
Frank, your car looks great !!!
When I get around to starting on my frame rebuilding and body alignment project I might have to call on you for some quick dimensional checks.
Cheers, Chet...
Quote from: 29UJohn on January 11, 2017, 06:15:14 PM
Dave,
Your picture of the original handles appear to be linked to a web based album and I cannot copy them.
Frank,
The pinstripes will be Dupont "Harvest Gold". It is the closest I can find to the original "Deep Gold Bronze" listed for a 1929 Sedan with Blue body.
If you right click on the image, you will get an option to save image. I tried in chrome and IE. (future reference) I emailed you a group of pictures.
Checked my pinstripes, there is really not an enough left to come up with any conclusion.
Dave,
Thanks for the handle pics!
Frank - Great car and thanks for the pinstripe explanation and picture!
Thanks, John. You didn't ask about the hood, but double stripe parallels the hood bead to the radiator. They don't curve to a point and aren't joined by a vertical line. They just end near the radiator shell where it looks natural.
Thanks,Chet, happy to do what I can, providing it's May - Oct when not in hibernation.
Thanks Frank, I didn't realize that.
I was starting with a picture if of the 1928 Plymouth Red Roadster in the Chrysler museum as a guide, but I couldn't tell that detail - thanks!
Jeff Buton told me the strips should be about 3/32 inch wide.
I have looked at lots of pictures of guys 28-29s with pinstripes, but I did not have a picture of the rear of the sedan with pinstripes.
I have one picture of the to of the hood, that's another picture of the red roadster in the museum.
One other question - the judging guide states that the dash should be pinstriped too. I have only seem one picture of that and so I am not planning on having the dash pinstriped.
BTW - It would be really great if I had a good set of pictures that showed all the details for the pin striper to go by!
:) :D
John, i don't recall seeing any striping on the dash in restored 28Q roadster and 29U 2dr sedan, and Dave's survivor. He may prove me wrong, though. A 30U I saw did have the double stripe on the rear bead, but I don't know if it was original. Earl Buton had two opportunities to tell me my striping wasn't complete/correct. Actually, he corrected my hood striping the first time he saw it. Thanks for the width info. Wish I could provide pictures you're looking for. frank
Frank,
I appreciate the information. I have received some advise from Earl and Jeff on my car restoration in the past, but I do wish the Club had more information on these first Plymouths. I really want to do it right this time, but it is hard sometimes knowing what right is.
Thanks.
Also - Mike Butters sent me some pictures of sample handles he has. It looks like he can make the interior door handles, except he does not have the same knob on the window winder, it is a plain knob. So I get the dimensions right, how ling long are the interior door and window winder handles?
John
One last (I think) pinstripe question - when the stripes reach the door knob escutcheon, does the strip appear to go under the escutcheon, or does it stop short and pick up again on the other side? In other words, should I remove the door handles before the pinstriping is done?
I removed the handles.
I'll do the same - thanks!