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#151
General Discussion / Re: Catastrophic oil pump failure
January 30, 2013, 03:56:42 PM
I'm not a professional on metal fatigue but I think the shaft has been cracked for many a moon. The 'smooth' part of the crack is when it let go. The 'pebble' finish part is a very old crack. I suspect the noise you heard was the shaft being out of round. It must of started to wobble but only for a few klicks before it snapped. End shaft pressure must have kept it intact until some transient high torsional load snapped it. Thanks for sharing this with us. 
#152
General Discussion / Re: Data books
January 30, 2013, 03:42:39 PM
That black and white 'narrowing to a point' ship crest started in 1931 with the PA Plymouth. The rad medallion was square before that. The '33 came with the conventional booklet with 'PLYMOUTH SIX' or words to that effect on their cover. There were about 4 issues in '33 both 1st and 2nd editions for the PC and then the PD as well as Canadian versions. But all had the description for the car on the cover. However they did have that page 'A Personal Message to Plymouth Owners' and the 'Lock your car' on the facing page up front like yours. But the very next page has a photo(?) of the front seat and dash area  of the car as in all the booklets I've ever seen from Chrysler. I have never seen these booklets in my 35 years of playing with old Chrysler cars. Where did you get them?
#153
General Discussion / Re: radiator
January 28, 2013, 08:11:56 AM
Just find yourself a piece of corded conveyor belting about 1/2" to 3/4" thick.
#154
General Discussion / Re: Data books
January 28, 2013, 08:09:58 AM
They are very similar in size and color to the booklet that was in the side pocket when you bought the car or truck new. Even the wording is the same. Except they're missing what vehicle they were for. 
#155
General Discussion / Re: Early plymouth keys
January 28, 2013, 08:05:28 AM
'28,'29 and 30U had the ignition lock/switch built into the bottom of the coil. '31 PA had the 1st Chrysler company style coil mounted on and through the firewall with an armored cable going from the dash switch to the rear of the coil. Sorry I don't know my manufacturers.   
#156
General Discussion / Re: Early plymouth keys
January 27, 2013, 04:12:50 PM
The '29 has a capital 'D' inside a diamond on one side and H700 on the other. The '33 says U122. The 'U' being kind of a Chrysler give away. The '35 Dodge I think is a replacement for a lost key at some time. But you would think the locksmith would replace it with the same 'kind'/'shape' etc? So I assume it is a good copy of the original. I remember all the GMs I've ever had or driven from 1958 on (My Dad's '58 Olds Super 88) had the 'hexagonal' shape to the 'handle' you mention. I remember it being a kind of GM trait.  
#157
General Discussion / Re: Early plymouth keys
January 27, 2013, 12:02:30 PM
This is an original '29U ignition key. I found 2 other keys from the 30s. One is an original '33 Plymouth door key and the other is an 'original' '35 Dodge truck ignition key. Not sure about the Dodge key's heritage. And I seem to remember my'31 PA had these same size and shape keys. It would appear early Chrysler Corp. keys were round originally?
#158
OK I goofed. I went back to the Master Parts List and looked up the 'exploded view' of the parts for the different carbs. The 'long' accelerator pump carb is a Model 130S/SA. The 'short' stubby accelerator pump carb is a 156S. BUT with that said, I still maintain that an original 30U had the 130 style with the long pump and the '31 PAs had the 156 style with the short pump. I had a barn fresh untouched '31 PA 6 wire wheel De Luxe sedan for the better part of 15 years and it had the 156 'stubby' pump style on it. I think the date on the Carter sheet has to be taken with a grain of salt because the PAs were called both 1930 and 1931 by Chrysler originally and several coffee table books today. But if I was to lift the hood on a 30U and see the short pump carb on it I would say that the car had a PA carb and vice versa. However Chrysler in those first years did not throw anything away and late 30Us COULD have an early '31 PA carb on it from factory. The flange dimensions are the same. (But the '31 PA had a huge vertical air cleaner that went up the firewall from the underhung carb.) I would just want the owner to prove that the carb hasn't been changed and Chrysler put it on without the unique PA air cleaner. Although who's to know what happened in the the car's first 20 or 30 years. Aren't we all confused now?   
#159
This is a scan from the Master Parts List for 1934 and back. The book calls it a 130S/130SA and prices it at $16. My own experience is that this is the 'normal' carb on any original 30Us I've seen and the accelerator pump has always been the 'long' one.  
#160
I agree with Chet. For some reason ANY disagreement can turn ugly and does. I've seen it several times and I was perplexed to understand where the thread had gone sour. I'm under the impression that these sites are for help on repair and restoration and also just a discussion of something like this tool. (I have one of these by the way in my 'collectables'.) And as Chet says we should all read these posts 'flat'. Or read them as if some friend you know were standing beside your car giving you some friendly well meaning advice. I don't like putting in smiley faces as I think it's a bit silly for these technical discussions.     
  And on that note......
    I looked through my stock of parts and came across an 80 year old box of rear axle gaskets and grease retainers. The label says that these are 'grease retainers' not 'oil retainers'. I'm not sure what would have gone in that cavity originally in '29 but I wonder if maybe it was NOT a liquid per se. Cars by 1933,which came out in the fall of 1932, were putting grease in that cavity to lube the rear outer bearing cluster. Did Chrylser make a mistake and stop using the specified oil and turn to grease?
  There are 2 roller bearing in there,back to back,in '29s as well I believe. I put a moly based high temperature non-melt grease in there and have had no problem with leakage.     
#161
I do not have my manuals for my '29 anymore so I'm going by memory and experience. Later Plymouths and Dodges at that point it says "REAR AXLE SHAFT (WHEEL) BEARINGS ,Short fibre wheel bearing grease-Medium Lubricant Nipple".
   Our modern garage tools have overtaken the old hand tools such as this lube gun in these photos. You can now buy a grease gun that is powered by your air compressor. I've known someone to put a modern air compressor powered grease gun on these rear bearing nipples and fire away, only to force the bearing shields off their seats and 'lube' the rear brake shoes. Quite a mess to clean up. So that's why I question any liquid in those nipples. It could trickle outward and get on the shoes. There is nothing to stop it except the bearing outer shields and I don't believe they are 'waterproof',read liquid proof.   
#162
I'm not 110% sure what you're doing but if you're putting oil of any kind into the grease nipple that's on the rear of the differential axle housing flange,be careful. As far as I know it was to have a high fibre grease injected there. Oil will run through any gap in the bearing shield and onto the brakes if you're not careful. There is a seal behind the bearing to keep diff oil from getting to the bearing and moving outward to the brakes and you're defeating that. I think. Any other comments about what Ian's doing. Am I wrong? 
#163
General Discussion / Re: Tyre Cover
December 20, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
Because you have 20" wheels I suspect you would have to have a cover made. They were black rubber impregnated linen material the same as the roof I believe. They had an elastic concealed around the opening on both sides. I'm not sure but I don't believe it would say MODEL Q 1928. However I do have a factory photo of the factory supplied tire cover from 1933 and it says 'PLYMOUTH FLOATING POWER' with the v'eed sailing ship logo in the center of the wording. All lettering and the logo silk screened in white. So maybe there was one with your wording on it? The factory cover for 1928 was 'Cloth tire cover (drum type) (domestic) - 47324'.
     Many years ago I was rummaging through the attic in my  grandfather's barn and came across a paper tire cover from the 'teens. It was huge as it had to fit those old 30" and larger wheels. It was advertising a political candidate who eventually became the Post Master General. Unfortunetly the attic had long since become the home of many pigeons and the cover was saturated with droppings. I could of had it but I was very young and stupid. I wish now I had taken it as I have never seen another. It was printed in several colors. Who knows I might have been able to clean it up and today one of those computer printers could of duplicated it...............................         
#164
General Discussion / Re: door handels
December 14, 2012, 12:23:17 PM
They are very difficult to get off,aren't they? You can buy a punch from Sears Craftsman that does not center punch per se. I believe it's actually called a pin punch. I bought it many years ago for exactly this problem with door handles and other things held on with pins. The Craftsman part # is 42882 WF and the other side says -3/32" . One thing I do remember you will have better luck with 2 people, one pushing like a crazy person on the door panel and one to push out the pin. 
#165
General Discussion / Re: Tyres
December 07, 2012, 11:46:29 AM
For what it's worth dept.= '28Q and '29U had 20" tires/'30U had 20" wood and later 19" wires /'31PA had 19" wires,the same tire dimensions(5.25-5.50X19") as Ford Model A/'32PB had 18"/'33PC/PD had 17" wires/'34 PE/PF had 16".  Notice the tire size went down an inch a year. (Yes there were other wheel sizes available but these are what came from the factory on day one.)