Attached is a picture of the model handles that Mike Butters showed me. Do the three on the left all look correct? I'll ask him about the missing knob and the dimensions.
John,
Those look good! I measure the door window about 3 3/4", door about 4 5/8" and the windshield (far right) about 2 15/16"
You may want to ask about base/escutcheon diameter and internal shaft hole width, also. What I'm calling the base, is the slightly tapered portion that fits into the escutcheon This base has two holes on a diameter that the attaching pin is placed.
Did he provide cost?
frank
Thanks!
Mike charges $125 for the interior door handle, $145 for the window winder handle, and $115 for the T- Handle.
What metal does he use? Does the cost include nickel plating?
I do not know what type metal he uses, but the cost includes triple chrome plating. He does not do them in stainless steel.
I wonder if he could do triple nickel? Platers I've spoken with in the past said they put chrome over nickel. Nickel is the correct finish in the interior.
I am sure he can do them in nickle if that's what you prefer. We did discuss using nickel or chrome. I read an article recently about when they started switching from nickle to chrome, I believe it was in Skinned Knuckles. It is not clear to me whether the 29 Plymouth interior handles were nickle or chrome. I think the club will allow either, do you know?
The normal process for a triple coat is copper followed by nickle followed by Chrome. I think if you want nickle they just stop after the nickle coat.
I had all interior done in chrome and have been slowly changing to nickel as I needed to removed various pieces. I believe the club wants nickel for authenticity, but you could check to verify. The pieces I have pictured have the original finish and don't look to be chrome to me.
Frank,
Thanks. This is a bit frustrating. The Judging Guide for 28-39 states for "Internal Trim and Instruments" states, "Nickel-plated parts should be nickel" but does not state which parts those are. No mention is made for the 28-29. However, for 34, 36 and 37 the guide does state,"Interior bright work must be nickel plated." I guess if the 1937 had nickle interior trim, the 28-29s would too. Thanks!
Also - the guide elsewhere states for the 28-29,"Pin stripe outlined wood graining on the sedan cowling." I have not seen this.
Have not delt with her for a while, but there was a Marge Verdone, in Newmanstown, PA. that did the our handles in stainless. Easy to nickel plate (the correct finish). If I remember correctly they where about 100-125 each as well.
Try 1-717-949-3341 or email VERDONES@everlink. com
Happy Motoring
Gary R.
I have been told that Marge Verdone passed away. I have not been able to find out if anyone has continued her work.
Don Sommer works in Stainless, if that is preferred.
Dear All,
I am very interested in purchasing a complete set of interior hardware for my 4 door 29U.
Qty - 4 - Window cranks
Qty - 4 - Interior Door handles
Qty - 2 - T handles
I hope that once a proper vender is determined we might be able to negotiate a suitable price for the volume of our combined order which will benefit all in need.
Please advise, Chet...
Sorry, giving bad info. Tried to contact Verdone's this morning, but the numbers are no longer valid. Guess the previous comment about her passing might be right.
I would like to get a set of handles for my 30U coupe. Need 2 door handles, 2 window cranks, and the short handle for the windshield mechanism.
Happy Motoring
Gary R.
John,
Thanks for explaining "triple chrome."
At this time, I would commit to 1 each door handle, window crank and Tee handle.
Re: woodgrain on cowl, is a puzzle to me. Have not seen on Q, U, 30U, but then the total of all models I've seen is 7, excluding mine. Dave's 29 and a 30U are the only true survivors I've seen. Some judging info is very clear, e.g. engine color, other not so much. Rubber running board and front floor mat. Rubber , ok, pattern? ribs/inch?
frank
All,
I spoke to Mike Butters again today. He is going to make me a set for my 29 Ply 4 door. They will be Nickle. It will be about 8 weeks. He uses an alloy of zinc, copper and aluminum. He says it is durable and is easy for him to work with as for casting. He can chrome them or do them in nickle. These are for the standard 3/8 inch square drive. He drills the 1/8 pin hole. He said he would work up a price for a set of 4-4-2 (4 door, 4 window, and 2 T-handles). I'll let you know.
I am working with him on the escutcheons. Will let you know about those.
BTW - I am not purchasing a windshield handle because my headliner was installed too low years ago and I have to use a T-handle there too.
Are the 30U handles the same as the 29U?
All the 30U handles have the same pattern, but are slightly smaller than Q, U. They are made of more substantial metal (don't know type) than who knows what. The diameter of the base is smaller and consequently so is id of escutcheon. Q, U escutcheons are interchangeable, but not with 30U.
If you have enough material in headliner to go lower, there might be enough to go higher and give you the room you need.
Frank - what do your roadster handles look like, specifically the interior handles?
Hi Ted, I don't know if they are correct. There are a number of things that aren't right, bt will save that for another day.
John, Another dimensional question which I should have thought of before, the base should be 11/16" diameter for the Q, U handles. Is this what Mike has? The 30U is closer to 19/32."
Thanks,
frank
I'll have to get back to him on the size of the bases. Otherwise Mike Butters handle dimensions matched what you stated.
BTW - Regarding running board rubber and floor mats, I found what Jeff Button states is the correct running board matting. It is sold by Restoration Supply Co in California. I do not know what the correct floor mat style is. From the picture in the Instruction Book it looks like plain ribs. I haven't got a response from the Tech.
John,
Regarding the handles, the length is the same for all 3 years. The 30U are narrower with the stronger metal.
For the running board mat, a picture and or part number would be very helpful.
As Chet said, safe travels. Thanks,
frank
Thanks!
Will do on the part number and picture. I am traveling for work and will post the information when I get back home.
Vintage Reproductions send me an outside handle that is a perfect match and fit, except that the square shaft was a few thousandths too thick, but that was easily rectified by filing a little.
The cost was $150 in Australian dollars. My total cost including shipping was $134.30. The part number is CHY-026. They also have it in a locking handle for $350, part number CHY-027.
Vintage Reproductions is located in Australia.
Web site: http://www.vintageandclassicreproductions.com/
US Representatives for purchases: Tom and Cindy Meyers at: myersedp@aol.com
Ph: 734-856-1207
They can also reproduce our hubcaps, but we would need a good set for them to use as a model and a commitment for orders for 16.
Looks awesome!