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#1096
General Discussion / Re: 29 Vin number
September 24, 2016, 09:17:23 PM

Very interesting.  I'll check these places but I don't understand why the engine number would be stamped into the frame unless this was a common practice for the local municipality.  Engines can be replaced over the years not always a good choice for a VIN.  I had a trailer that the state inspection people stamped the VIN number on to the frame because the trailer only had a decal.  Lots of things happen after almost 90 years.  I have an appointment with the state police to have my car inspected.  Since I lost the body tag it breaks the proof of ownership.  I am pretty sure they will stamp the VIN some ware on the frame.  Just a big hassle but I guess part of old car ownership.   I have had my car titled in Virginia for the past 10 years along with proof of purchase and title transfer from Florida.  Delaware is interested in getting the car recorded properly and in this we are on the same page.  So hopefully I will walk away with my car properly identified as a 1929 U under the FEDCO serial number.

Chet...
#1097
General Discussion / Re: Restoration Begins
September 22, 2016, 04:18:13 PM
Well the trip to the DMV didn't go well  :-\

So here she sits awaiting a call from the Delaware State Police Auto Theft officer.  Since the body plate was lost and replaced with a new plate the car has to be inspected by a state police auto theft officer.   If I'm going this route I have already informed them that the Title year and VIN number is incorrect.  So I am awaiting a call to sit down with them and lay out my case.  The DMV lady said she can trace the car back to the state and person I purchased the car from in 2006.  I guess if I am going to restore the car I might just as well restore the proper FEDCO VIN number.  Worse case they keep it under the Body ID number.  So until I can get this all straightened out she will sit on the trailer.  Just too hard to take her off and on again.

#1098
General Discussion / Re: Restoration Begins
September 21, 2016, 06:27:57 PM
Ted,

I believe the original color was Marine Blue or Marquette Blue which ever one is the lighter color.  I think as I start to disassemble the car to fix the wood framing maybe the original color will be revealed.  I am not sure what to do with the wheels.  You are correct the wheels were painted the same as the body but the wife likes the raw wood varnished.  I have a set of 19" from a 30U that are mint and I might redo my 20" wheels and paint them like originally done.  Maybe have both ? That decision will be a little out from here.  We'll see how the winter work goes.

PS post a picture of your wheels when you get them back on.

Chet...
#1099
General Discussion / Re: Restoration Begins
September 20, 2016, 07:33:37 PM
I'll see the DMV on Thursday and hopefully complete the title/registration and then I can start taking her apart.  I bought this car in Florida in 2006 and can't wait to finally get started on her restoration.  I have been collecting original parts and info since I acquired the car and looking forward to getting started.  The posts contained within this forum should prove to be an excellent guide for my project.
#1100
General Discussion / Automobile Blue Book, Vol 3 1921
September 18, 2016, 08:59:51 PM
The standard road guide of America, Established 1901

I found this book in an antique store.  It is 965+ pages of turn by turn instructions for traveling routes in NJ, PA, MD, DEL,VA, WVA, DC, & surrounding areas including NY City, and the Catskill area.  I have never seen a book like this before.  It's a great look at the road system in 1921.  I think it would be great fun to research one of these routes that are detailed more by land marks then road names.   Very hard to follow trolley tracks that no longer exist or turn at a business that probably hasn't been around for the past 90 years.   What a great road trip to travel one of these listed routes and compare the way things have changed and marvel at the things that have not.   Unbelievable amount of information pointing out land marks and points of interest including abstracts of state motor vehicle laws for the Automobilists.  For instance; you needed a license to drive in NYC but not the rest of the state, the license fee was $2.00 with a renewal cost of a dollar in 1921.

Anyone else run across a book like this.  In 1921 there were 10 volumes covering the entire continental US.  Each Vol was priced at $4.00 each.  There was also a 'T' vol for long Distance Tours, city to city, coast to coast which was priced at $5.00.  My assumption is that these books were updated for each year.  Need to figure out when they stopped printing them.  Of course the internet knows all so it's time to search the WWW...

UPDATE:

The Official Automobile Blue Book, 1901–1929: Precursor to the American Road Map
John T. Bauer

Abstract

Navigating by automobile at the dawn of the twentieth century was difficult because maps appropriate for this new mode of transportation were scarce. An early solution to this problem was the route guide. Listing turn-by-turn directions between various cities, route guides helped early motorists navigate a network of unmarked, local roads. This paper focuses exclusively on the Official Automobile Blue Book, the earliest and most popular of the route guides. It contends that the Blue Book series was a precursor to the American road map because the volumes served two important functions of road maps and did so before road mapping matured into a full-fledged cartographic business. The Blue Book commercialized automobile touring and provided directional information, helping motorists navigate. Twelve Blue Book volumes, covering 1901 to 1929, form the primary sources for this research. After examining the series' use, content, and history, the paper places the Official Automobile Blue Book within the larger context of the history of road mapping.

Cheers Chet...
#1101
General Discussion / Restoration Begins
September 15, 2016, 05:38:23 PM
Well I am finally starting my 29 restoration.  The car has been sitting for a couple of years.  Since we retired to Delaware I still haven't titled the car because I have to bring it down to the Motor Vehicles to have it physically inspected.  I guess they need to see it at least once, to verify that it exists.  Anyway I would need to trailer it down and since my car trailer needs to go in for an inspection I will take the 29 along and get it titled and registered.

Of course there is always a problem.  I hope to change the Title info to reflect the proper year.  The car was registered as a 1928 Model U Plymouth under the Body Number.  I will not try to change the VIN Number but will try to change the date to reflect the actual correct year.  1929 Model U.  Wish me luck.  How do I explain to the DMV that the car was incorrectly titled in Florida where I purchased it.  I correct the Q to U when I titled it in VA.  So I hope to correct the Year next week.  I had this plate made up for the car to reflect the correct INFO for the DMV and at the same time reflect the proper Fedco Number.  The cost was $42.00.



After at least 3 years of inactivity the old girl fired up without any issues.  My car needs a lot of work to bring her back to a reasonable example of an original 1929 Plymouth.  I plan to keep the old interior but redo the internal wooden frame, roof, and floor and everything else that was incorrectly repaired.  The old girl has been molested by many well intentioned owners but it's time to try and get her back to a reasonable facsimile of original condition and save as much of the original patina as possible.   I am not looking to create a factory fresh car but a correct car that shows its 80 years of existence.  Once we jump through the DMV hoop then on to a more interesting agenda. 



Wish me luck I'll keep you guys posted on my progress in this thread.
#1102
General Discussion / Re: 29 Vin number
September 14, 2016, 09:51:52 AM
Quote from: ski on September 08, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
Mine is also titled by the engine number however the same number is stamped into my frame rail behind the drivers side front wheel.  Other folks have posted that their cars are titled by engine number as well. Does your frame have this stamping?

ski

I have the same problem. My dash serial emblem is difficult to read.  My car was registered on the body number plate located on the driver's side floor next to the seat.  My question is exactly where on the frame is this number stamped.  ski could you provide a picture of exactly where this number is.  My assumption is that it was not stamped there originally.  Especially if it is an engine number.., in that these can be swapped out over the years.

I am currently titling my car in Delaware and I am trying to figure out how to explain to the DMV that my Virginia 1928 U titled under the Body Number is actually a 1929 U Serial# RY882W which is extremely hard to distinguish from the dash emblem.

I am considering having a Serial Number plate made listing both the Manufacturing Number & Body Number, now I need to consider where to mount it and the frame seems to be the best bet.

LudsToy I feel your pain.  Chet...
#1103
General Discussion / Re: FEDCO Plate Restore
August 27, 2016, 10:48:08 PM
Frank,

I know what you mean about the clutter once you start.  I have a 12' X 24' out building that I am cleaning out now.  Since I started this clean up project I have cataloged my car parts into a database with row/rack/and bin locations so that I can find stuff again.  My biggest problem is finding stuff when I need it.  Of course the 24' shed is full of 48 parts including two engines.  A 1948 Dodge 230 and a Model 30U which is a fresh rebuild and a couple of transmissions.  It's taking time to do all this but in the long run it will save countless hours.  Not to mention more free space to work or store stuff in.

Oh well, As Ross Pero would say "Are you going to talk about it.., or are you going to do it."  I guess I should get back to work.

Chet...
#1104
General Discussion / Re: FEDCO Plate Restore
August 27, 2016, 12:32:46 AM

Frank, Your FEDCO plate restore looks great.  Another thing to put on my list to try. 

The weather here has been so brutally hot and humid but the good news is that cooler weather is on the horizon.  Its just been a very busy summer for us.  I am finally caught up on all our construction and repair projects.  I just finished straightening out the garage and finally have room to move around again.  Definitely start on the 29 this fall. 

I hope things in your neck of the woods are fine, those poor people in Louisiana, I can't imagine dealing with that flooding.  I guess you do whatever needs to be done.

Cheers, Chet...
#1105
General Discussion / Re: Sill Plate Question
July 07, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
Yup, my car is definitely missing the sill plates.  Do we have a contact number or email address for Don Kuhn. I would like to order some.

Tks
#1106
General Discussion / Re: Parade duty
July 06, 2016, 07:54:47 AM
Not me, my car has been sitting in the garage waiting for some resto work.  Did you get out for the holiday?

Chet...
#1107
General Discussion / Re: Sill Plate Question
July 06, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
Hi John,

My care isn't a good reference the old girl has seen better days.  What do you mean sill plate & sill covers ?  I'm probably missing these parts.  I might have the plate and not the cover ?
#1108
General Discussion / Re: Stalling
June 26, 2016, 08:30:04 PM
I think Tom may be on to something.  A large amount of sediment in the tank might be the reason for your occasional problem.  On a steep incline or on a long incline the gas flow might be restricted due to sediment moving around in the tank.  If that's not it then Frank pretty much touched on everything else.

My two cents.  Chet...
#1109
General Discussion / Re: 29 u
June 16, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: Gary 30U on June 16, 2016, 12:14:25 AM
Carmen, When I first got my 30U, (which has the water pump) I would have problems with it belching water about every fee minutes. What I found is that I had a plugged radiator. If would build up pressure and when it would release and flow it would blow out around the cap. It was never hot as you could hold your finger in the radiator. Took the radiator out and had it flushed, took the water pump off and flushed out the engine block. You couldn't believe all the crap that came out. Anyway had the water pump rebuilt (which is a special story of it's own) and haven't had any problems since.

Gary, Good advise.  I flushed out my engine and radiator a couple of years back and got quite a lot of crap out.  The car has been running great ever since.   :)

Chet..
#1110
General Discussion / Re: 29 u
June 10, 2016, 10:29:49 PM
If he fills the radiator to the top it will shed water until it reaches its running capacity. After that there is no need to add water.  You know heat expands so if you look into the radiator when it's cold you will not see any coolent.  No need to add the coolent that's lost.   When running the radiator should feel hot at the top and cooler near the bottom.  Of course it shouldn't steam. 

Chet...