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General Discussion / Re: WME Shackle
« on: October 20, 2017, 06:54:35 PM »
If you find a hoard of Tryon shackles don't forget us. Thanks for the tip.

I read an article awhile back which was commemorating the 100 anniversary of the Model ‘T’.  The author brought out a point that none of us truly have experienced first hand.  Sure many of us have lived through the “See the USA in your Chevrolet” and paid 17 to 23 cents a gallon but none of us truly understand the real impact of the automobile on daily life in the early 1900’s.   The author proposed that the automobile gave people something that they didn’t have prior and that was leisure time.   How you might ask with all the early maintenance that need to be done to keep these cars road worthy.   Well when you think about it prior to the automobile you had a horse and possibility a wagon.   If you only used it to go to town once a week you still had to feed and care for your horse daily.  The car on the other hand only needed gas when you used it so thus a whole new era of leisure time was created.

The author proposes “Sadly, as with everything, when something slips from current events into history much of its significance becomes lost.  Since we don’t have a direct recollection of the times, we cannot (even with vivid imaginations) appreciate what a difference it made in people’s lives.”

The author was Jay Klehfoth  CEO of the Model ‘T’ Ford Club of America in 2008.

The article struck a cord with me in that I recall from my summer drives how people would react to my car and probably most would appreciate the age but all would walk away thinking how primitive those early cars were.  The reality is quite the opposite.  Our old cars are marvels of human ingenuity which have survived 80 years of wars, politics, hard economic times, the elements of nature, and the rising price of gasoline.   

So don’t hate garaging the old girl for the winter, appreciate the fact that you don’t have to go out to the barn every day to feed and clean up after her.  Well maybe a few drops of oil on the floor but in the great scheme of things not bad at all.  I wonder what people will think of my laptop 100 years from now ?


General Discussion / Re: 30-U Firewall
« on: October 15, 2017, 03:58:02 AM »
Are you a member of the Plymouth Owners Club and have you tried the tech advisor for your model year.

You can find the POC on Facebook and at:

General Discussion / WME Shackle
« on: October 10, 2017, 11:17:34 PM »
I thought this was interesting any comments would be appreciated:

I am working on cleaning up the rear suspension on my 29 and my rear leaf spring shackles are marked WME Pat. 1921 - 25  They look and work exactly like the Tryon Shackles.  I could not find any reference to a Manufacturing Co. WME in my 1924 Chilton Automobile Directory.  Another Mystery ??

Also the leaf spring shackle plates are marked Right (Passenger) and Left (Driver's Side).  I have yet to determine if there is any difference.

Cheers Chet...

General Discussion / Re: 29 Build Thread
« on: October 08, 2017, 04:01:21 PM »
Hello  , Chet
  In a continuation of a discussion at Hershey on paint colors . When I said about light blue primer . Attached is a pic of the other Dodge '31 build pickup cab with light blue under black and interior green . Since it shows up in only the cab section of the truck and your composite cab . Can this be that manufactures primer and not a former color . Your page 6 shows it well .
   Any other examples out there ?

I don't know.  I think Walter P. was a waste not, want not, type of guy and liked to use what was left on the shelf.  I've been known to mix some paint remnants together and get a room done for free.  Another mystery or another practicality ?  Might have to ask those "History Detective" guys.  We need to find an expert on early 20th. century manufacturing.

As far as primer goes my understanding is that it provides a consistent and neutral surface for the top coat.  The lighter or darker primer I believe can affect the appearance of the outer paint but my knowledge is minimal in this area.  Maybe someone else has a comment.

General Discussion / Re: Hershey in October
« on: October 08, 2017, 01:22:57 AM »
Forum Members get together in Hershey:

I met up with Tom <Articifer Tom> and Rich <thehandleman> at Rich's spot on the Chocolate Field CH-74-83
In the picture below from left to right - Rich - Tom - Chet

If you need to get an original handle on it, drop Rich AKA "The Handle-Man" an email.

It was a great show and I escaped the rain.  Below is not the strangest thing I saw while walking the swap meet.

Cheers, Chet...

General Discussion / Re: 29 Build Thread
« on: October 07, 2017, 11:20:54 PM »
Thanks John

I appreciate the info,  Chet...

General Discussion / Re: 29 Build Thread
« on: September 30, 2017, 05:58:31 AM »
Frank, Thanks for the info and picture.

Dave's car is a treasure trove of information details.  I was fascinated by the two nails in the sill washer below the bolt holding the sill in place.  This is the kind of stuff that gets washed away by owner repairs over the life of the car.  The body plate is where I thought it should go.

I also sent an email to Jeff Buton to pick his brain also.

Thanks for all the help,  Currently working on the rear suspension, Chet...

General Discussion / Re: 29 Build Thread
« on: September 25, 2017, 08:33:38 PM »
Finally finished the last of the structural framing

I can finally move on to something new.  Yes I know that there is still plenty of wood work to complete but the structural side of the equation is now in the past.  It's actually been a little over a year since I started down this road.  Pretty soon maybe I'll have something to actually drive again.

I'm thinking Floor next ?


General Discussion / Hershey in October
« on: September 23, 2017, 03:15:02 AM »

Just an FYI if anyone will be going to Hershey PA for the AACA meet.  The wife and I will be at Hershey on Wednesday & Thursday and it would be great to say hi to anyone searching the swap meet from this forum.  If you are attending and want to meet up, send me an email at


General Discussion / Re: 29 Build Thread
« on: September 13, 2017, 08:15:47 PM »
Roof Frame Continued (front & driver's side)

Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:


PS... Thanks Chris (hursst) for the At-a-boy...

General Discussion / Re: Steering column floor plate
« on: September 13, 2017, 02:15:35 PM »
Thanks for the pictures.  I wish I had brackets like yours it would have made my work a little easier.  The brackets I have are different but appear to be very old.  The hinge pillar bracket is sitting on top of the front cowl bracket.

General Discussion / Re: Is this Original Equipment ???
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:31:47 AM »

Definitely Original !   Thanks !!

General Discussion / Re: Windshield wipper assy.
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:30:31 AM »
Thanks John & Tom,

I have a couple of these Trico motors.  The motor that was on my car is much different and I believe it also was a Trico.  I sent a picture to Ficken Wiper Service and he said he wouldn't touch it and couldn't guarantee a repair.   

Unfortunately at the moment I don't know where I put the motor.  I reinstalled the tubing for the vacuum motor and ran two wires up the passenger side door frame to the roof so my immediate issue is resolved.  Installing the actual motor is many months from now.  When I get back to this or when I find my old motor I'll post a picture.  The one that was on my car was a rectangular box.


General Discussion / Re: Steering column floor plate
« on: September 06, 2017, 02:36:46 AM »

They Look good installed.  Dose your car have metal brackets securing the wooden hinge pillar to the floor ?

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