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General Discussion / Gary... Read this post !!!
« on: May 19, 2008, 04:46:30 PM »

I call Tom Hannaford at the Antique Auto Parts Cellar to arrange to have my front motor mount re-vulcanized.   We talked a little and he told me that he carries everything mechanical to keep the 28-30 Plymouth rolling including Kingpin sets.

I thought you might be interested:

Antique Auto Parts Cellar
PO Box 3 (6 Chauncy Street)
Weymouth , MA 02190
Telephone: 1-781-335-1579
Fax: 1-781-335-1925


General Discussion / Anyone have any experience with..
« on: May 19, 2008, 01:06:37 PM »
Anyone have any tips or personal experience with changing the return spring on the 29-U starter motor.   


General Discussion / Re: Oil Pressure
« on: May 15, 2008, 05:43:40 AM »
I was just thinking about the info. Does anyone have a diagram
of the oiling system they could send us?  Thanks

This is the best I can do.  The attached file is a cut view of the Modal U engine.


Open the PDF file below the line.

General Discussion / Re: Oil Pressure
« on: May 14, 2008, 10:38:01 PM »
On the U engine the oil pump is external and is located under the intake and exhaust manifold.  If you remove the front cover crank the engine for a short time to ensure that the eccentric is turning.   I believe there is a little gear that commonly wears out.  If your engine was rebuilt I would assume that this was checked but who knows.

Also there is a pressure relief valve that might be creating some problem.   I know that with modern oil pumps you should always prime them prior to installing them.  I am not sure about the U pump but it can't hurt.  There is a pipe that goes from the oil pump to the engine.  Check that for oil content and if the pump is turning then maybe get some oil in it to prime the pump.

My 2 cents, 

Chet…  & Welcome to this web site.!!

PS... If you are not sure you are getting oil pressure then I wouldn't run the engine. 

General Discussion / Re: Getting the 29 U ready for the summer ...
« on: May 14, 2008, 03:47:06 PM »
Chet, How do you like the floor pads. I have been looking at them. I have my originals but they are dried out and warped. Is it very hard for you to get your floor board up to reach the battery. I have a small rectanglar hole I can lift out to check the water but to get the hole floor out is a job


I too have a rectangular hole that allows you to access the battery.   I am not removing the floor just installing a new toe board.  The piece that goes from the floor to the firewall.  I will be putting down rubber mating in the front of the car and for the time being leaving the rear as is. 

My floor is not original and the previous owner laid down tong & grove oak flooring.  Since it is stained and varnished it actually looks real nice especially in the back.  The floor was redone a long time ago so it really has a vintage look to it.  For the 4-door sedan I believe the original floor was plywood with rubber flooring in the front and carpet in the back.

As for the Steel Rubber replacement pads I think they are excellent.  The one for the pedals was copied from an original 29-U item.  If you have a 1928-Q it has to be slightly modified to fit around the steering column.


General Discussion / Getting the 29 U ready for the summer ...
« on: May 14, 2008, 03:22:03 AM »
I am getting the 29 U ready for the summer driving season:

Original refurbished radiator ready for installation.

I can't wait to give her a crank...

Kingston Vacuum fuel pump ready for installation:

I purchased some reproduction floor pads for the pedals and the shifter form Steel Rubber.  These are well worth the money and are excellent reproductions.   I will also redo the toe board and install repro rubber floor matting.


I have lots of other little things to fix like installing the new Steel Rubber windshield molding and fixing the broken passenger side window.  I hope to be back on the road before Father's Day.  I am excited about getting the old girl out on the open road again in a little better condition then she was the year before.


General Discussion / Re: 28 / 29 Interior
« on: May 08, 2008, 05:54:42 PM »
Mr Plymouths

Take a look at Chris’s interior.  It looks pretty original to me.  Also the Passenger side front and the drivers side rear have a map pouch.

What do you think.???


Chris,  My car has no map pouches in the rear.  My interior is leatherette and has a map pouch on both front doors.  (29 Model-U,  US Built approximately March 29)  I don't know if mine is original but the interior is very, very old.  I will post pictures at some point.

General Discussion / 28 / 29 Interior
« on: May 07, 2008, 10:32:49 PM »

There is a 29 Plymouth 2 door sedan on eBay and the interior pictures show a pouch on the passenger side only.    The car looks like an older restoration but looks pretty true to form.  I will check my car tonight on the way home.  I think there are pouches on the rear doors ???  Who knows if my interior is original the only thing I know for sure is that it appears to be leatherette and very old.


General Discussion / Re: Satillite70 did you pick up your car yet ?
« on: May 06, 2008, 10:11:31 PM »

A lot of the questions you are asking might be better answered on the POC Board.  The Plymouth Owners Club strives for strict reproduction to original factory specs.   After near 80 years it is pretty difficult to determine what was truly original in that a reupholstery which was done in 1948 will look pretty damn original in 2008.

As far as screws go Phillips wasn’t patented until 1930 so they are definitely not original. Robertson Screws are possible in that they were patented in 1908 and used in the early Modal T Fords.  I don’t know if Chrysler used them but he might have in that he did at one time work for Mr. Ford.

As far as the door pouches go I have them on both front doors.  For the life of me I can’t remember if the rear doors have pouches.   I would suspect not since the rear seat is so far back in the 4 door sedan that I would think the pouch would be impractical but I’m probably incorrect.   Right now my car is in a storage facility so I can’t check for you.  (No room at the Inn.)

The floor is interesting.  I was told that the floor in the 28 & 29 Plymouth was originally plywood.  Yours appears to be tong & groove hardwood.   Is this correct?  Mine also has tong & groove wood but I am sure that mine it is not original flooring.   Some Ya-Hoo nailed it in and also used drywall screws everywhere.  I may not subscribe to struck originality but drywall screws are just WRONG.

Have fun, your work is looking good, Chet…

General Discussion / Ford Gas Gauge in 29 Plymouth, Oh! My!!
« on: May 03, 2008, 03:51:01 PM »

No original Plymouth parts were modified to make this work.

Please see the link for the project blow by blow…

Cheers,  Chet…

General Discussion / Re: flywheel repair
« on: April 24, 2008, 04:39:23 PM »
The clutch throwout bearing has it's own return spring that is separate from the clutch pedal return spring.  On my 29U, it attaches to a small knotch on the bottom of the upper access opening to the clutch (i.e., the access opening that you use when putting grease into the bearing.)  This same spring was used for many years.  I recently obtained a new exact replacement from PowerWagens for just a few dollars. 

My apologies, I forgot about the spring that attaches to the throw out bearing.

Thanks John for updating this post.  I sent Jim an email alert.


General Discussion / Hand Cranking your Old Car.
« on: April 23, 2008, 05:10:51 PM »
Attached is an article from a back issue of “Skinned Knuckles Magazine”.  Jim Yergin made a copy and sent it to me. 

Tks Jim.

It found it very interesting so I thought that it was worth posting.



General Discussion / Re: George29 - Did you get the Hub off yet.
« on: April 22, 2008, 07:47:11 PM »
Here is the scoop on the Q/U hub size:  Doug you were right on…

When measuring threads there are two dimensions to consider.  The Minor or female thread size and the Major or male Tap size.

If you measure the diameter of the wheel hub it will measure 2.375 +- 5% or 2 & 3/8” Major Dimension
If you measure the tool itself or the female thread size it should measure 2.312 +- 5% or 2 & 5/16” Minor Dimension

Since screw size is always refereed to by the Major Dimension then the correct size for the 28Q to 30U hub puller is  2 & 3/8” with 16 threads per inch.

So if an eBay seller is measuring the distance accross the threads on the hub puller in question (Minor Dimension) he should be measuring 2 & 5/16” x 16 TPI


General Discussion / Re: George29 - Did you get the Hub off yet.
« on: April 21, 2008, 09:46:47 PM »
Definitely without a doubt 16 threads per inch. 

The size is slightly bigger then 2 & 1/4” maybe 2 & 5/16" or 2 & 3/8".   I don’t know where my dial calipers are or I could confirm the diameter for sure.  Maybe Doug on the POC board will confirm the exact size.

Sorry,  Chet…

General Discussion / Re: George29 - Did you get the Hub off yet.
« on: April 19, 2008, 02:56:48 PM »
HI Guys,
    Does anyone know which size and thread is required?  I have seen 2-1/4" with 16 threads or 18 or 20 on the threads... which is the one?

Chris "My wheels are stuck too" Osborne


I will bring my thread gauge home with me on Sunday.  If no one else gets back to you I’ll post the thread size on Sunday or Monday night.

PS… The one I found at Hershey had Ford embossed on it.  I have been told that they are the same as the Ford Model ‘A’.  It also has a nut to tighten it to the hub once you screw it on.  I think this is a good idea in that you get a tighter fit against a worn thread.  You could give the axle slap method a try in the mean while. 


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