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General Discussion / Re: wood spoke wheels
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:38:31 PM »
Good idea, Chet. I've been a member of the POC since '91, didn't even think of posting it there.

My dad seems to think you could get the wheels either way-- painted or clear-coated. He had a '33 PD and knows his old cars, particularly Plymouths, but he doesn't remember for sure.

Hay Doug,

I don’t believe the POC’s 4 cylinder technical advisor is online with the forum but you should get a response from somebody or you could always check your newsletter for the phone number and call the guy directly.

I like your website I hope you do a lot of business.  I have tons of P15 and other parts lying around and one of these days I might clean up some for sale but then again someday I might need them.  Actually the biggest problem I have is finding the time to do anything.  Maybe if I retire.., but with the way the economy is going I will have to continue working 2 years after I kick the bucket just to break even.


General Discussion / Re: wood spoke wheels
« on: October 31, 2008, 02:03:44 AM »

I believe you are correct in that the wood spokes were painted.  As far as available colors I can’t help you.  I recently purchased an original Plymouth Salesmen’s reference for 1929 but unfortunately the page describing the wheel options was missing.  I would suggest posing that question on the Plymouth Owners Club forum.  You don’t have to be a member to join the forum and they would most likely have good information concerning originality since it is a core objective of the club. 


Sorry I can’t help you with parts but if you find the hardware or a good facsimile please let us know.  It shouldn't be too hard.  Split rim wheels of the era were pretty similar.  Maybe Calimer’s Wheel Shop might be able to steer you in the right direction.

Calimer's Wheel Shop
30 East North St
Waynesboro, PA 17268


Good Luck,


General Discussion / Re: wood spoke wheels
« on: October 30, 2008, 03:13:34 PM »
Jim, From a post I made on the POC board a year or so ago.  Still haven't gotton around to giving it a try.


I plan on providing a step by step description of what I will be doing including diagrams and pictures.  It costs somewhere in the $200 to $250 dollar bracket per wheel to have someone do this.  Most of the cost is labor so I think I can accomplish this for about $75 to $100 dollars per wheel.  Including the tools purchased.

I installed a spindle duplicating device on the wood lathe I purchased from another car buddy.  Cost $40 plus the duplicating device which was $150.  So I am into this at the moment for about $190 which is less then the cost for one wheel.

The wood is Kiln Dried Hickory and can be purchased form a couple of Pennsylvania wood shops cut to size and planed square.


PS... with all the projects I am currently working on I think this will be a long time out, that is if I do it at all.


General Discussion / Re: wood spoke wheels
« on: October 30, 2008, 02:57:20 PM »
Here is page 3 & 5

General Discussion / Re: wood spoke wheels
« on: October 30, 2008, 02:55:41 PM »
Here is page 1 & 2

General Discussion / Re: wood spoke wheels
« on: October 30, 2008, 02:46:13 PM »
I have given this topic a lot of thought & research.  I have a spindle duplicator set up on my wood lath but have not gotten around to giving it a go.   Of course it is not recommended to replace some spokes but all should be done at the same time.  Once set into place the center hole for the hub is drilled slightly smaller and the hub is press fitted to the wheel.  Also the wood is kiln dried hickory.

Attached is an article about wood wheels. I don’t remember where I got it from, probably JimYergin.  The last page from this article and another article is attached to my next post

Also for about $200 to 250 per wheel you can use the link below for a professional replacement.


General Discussion / Re: A Sunday Drive
« on: October 30, 2008, 02:59:33 AM »
Hay Dave,

I read an article recently which was commemorating the 100th. anniversary of the Model ‘T’.  The author brought out a point that none of us truly have experienced first hand.  Sure many of us have lived through the “See the USA in your Chevrolet” generation and paid 17 to 23 cents a gallon but none of us truly understand the real impact of the automobile on daily life in the early 1900’s.   The author proposed that the automobile gave people something that they didn’t have prior, and that was leisure time.   You might ask, how could this be with all the early maintenance that needed to be done to keep these cars road worthy.   Well when you think about it prior to the automobile you had a horse and possibly a wagon.   If you only used them to go to town once a week you still had to feed and care for your horse daily.  The car on the other hand only needed gas when you used it so thus a whole new era of leisure time was on the verge of creation.

The author proposes “Sadly, as with everything, when something slips from current events into history much of its significance becomes lost.  Since we don’t have a direct recollection of the times, we cannot (even with vivid imaginations) appreciate what a difference it made in people’s lives.”  The author is Jay Klehfoth  CEO of the Model ‘T’ Ford Club of America.

The article struck a cord with me in that I recall from my summer drives how people would react to my car and probably most would appreciate the age but all would walk away thinking how primitive those early cars were.  The reality is quite the opposite.  Our old cars are marvels of human ingenuity which have survived 80 years of wars, politics, hard economic times, the elements of nature and the rising price of gasoline.   

So Dave don’t hate garaging the old girl for the winter appreciate the fact that you don’t have to go out to the barn every day to feed and clean up after her.  Well maybe a few drops of oil on the floor but in the great scheme of things not bad at all.  I wonder what people will think of my laptop 80 years from now ?


General Discussion / Re: Data base of 28 to 30 Plymouth FEDCO numbers
« on: October 20, 2008, 06:01:02 PM »
I have a copy of the list compiled in 1989 for the Plymouth Bulletin.

Hay Dave,

Could you send me a copy of that list.  I wouldn't publish it without permission form the POC but I am interested in the serial number base and the number of registered 4 cyl Plymouths at that time.


tks,  Chet...

General Discussion / A Sunday Drive
« on: October 19, 2008, 10:59:06 PM »

I took the old girl out for a drive after I finished the yard work.  I stopped at a local park and snapped the picture below.    The sun was setting so it came out a little washed out but just thought I would share it anyway.

When I stopped for gas at the local 7/11, a passerby asked if the car came equipped with air bags I said no.., be it comes standard with two old bags. 


General Discussion / Re: Down Under 29
« on: September 26, 2008, 06:47:24 PM »
Hi George,

And welcome to this forum.  As you can imagine we are not a very large group but then again not everyone is lucky enough to own one of these old beauties.

You are right in that Walter P made a great decision in building his cars with hydraulic brakes.  Driving on the road today it is comforting knowing that you have a pretty good chance at stopping especially in an emergency.   This of course is a little more difficult in a Modal A or a Chevy of the same period. 

By the way nice car, I also own a 29 4 door sedan which I drive as often as possible.


Northern Virginia


Congratulations on the promotion and also on your first car show award.  It also sounds like you might want to be careful with the oil and exhaust fumes.

Do you plan to rebuild the motor yourself or are you going to send the block out for rework. I would be very interested in that project and your outcome. 

Have you done a compression check yet?  I am also curious on the result of a compression test.   If you pop off the head take some pictures and post them. 

Good luck with the car, and thanks for the update.   

Maybe someone else can help you with the parts search,

PS… You might try Terrill Machine Inc. -  They rebuild flatheads.  A couple of years back these guys didn't have what I needed but recommended someone who could help me on another project.  They are in Texas, might be worth a call... 254-893-2610.  If you reach them let us know if they can help with the motor parts.


General Discussion / Re: 1929 4-door Plymouth value
« on: September 19, 2008, 01:39:18 AM »
Hi and welcome to this forum,

The question you asked depends on a number of things and without pictures it is very had to estimate a price.  All I can tell you is that I purchased my 29 4 door for about 6K with original motor and a transmission that needed to be fixed with brakes that were not working and missing a lot of original parts.  I was looking for this type of car because I love Plymouths and am very happy with my current result.  I have over the last two years made this car road worthy.  If I sold it today I would be looking in the 8K to 10K area.

See photo below…


General Discussion / OT - Las Vegas Trip
« on: September 07, 2008, 10:38:27 PM »
I was in Loss Wages on business this week and had the opportunity to meet up with P15D24 Forum Member Richard Fleetwood (forum handle RFleetwood).  Rich showed me his project car a 1950 Plymouth 2 door convertible.  Sorry that I only took one picture but the battery on my camera was done and I was lucky to snap the one below. 

The car is all there but needs a good deal of TLC.  Rich has the drive train out and intends to put in a Mopar 318 V8 with automatic transmission.  He is currently welding in new floor metal and once completed, he will be removing the body for a frame off restoration and customization.   The floor is coming out great due to Rich’s excellent welding skills and he has already put in cross members to keep the body true when he pulls it off the frame.

Lots of work to be done but when finished this is going to be one sweet ride.

I know this is Off Topic for our forum but I get a big kick out of meeting others in the hobby and seeing what they are doing to keep their old Plymouths on the road.  Remember the better majority of Plymouths out there are just not good candidates for all original show queens.  But most make great drivers and most of the drivers are nice people.


General Discussion / Re: Brake drums
« on: September 02, 2008, 03:06:01 PM »

The following is just my opinion and I don’t know how valid it is. 

Remember just my opinion;

Judging by the thickness of the brake drums on the 28 & 29 Plymouth I am assuming that they weren’t designed to be resurfaced like modern drums.   I am sure that any mechanic, shade tree or otherwise would clean up a drum in reasonably good shape with emery cloth or quite possibly mount the drums on a motorized device and sand and polish the inner drum surface.

I checked my 1924 Chilton Automobile Directory of Replacement Parts Buyers and found nothing on Drum resurfacing equipment.  I found plenty of machines for other purposes like Brake Band Riveting but none for drum resurfacing.  My guess is that drums of the time were throwaway and replace. 

Keep in mind that these vehicles are low speed so I wouldn’t get totally hung up on creating a perfectly pristine drum surfaces.  If you can great, but in reality these cars will rarely surpass speeds of 50 mph and most of your driving is in the 25 to 45 mph area.  Some groves in the drum surface may create an annoying squeak but with the amount of miles these cars are driven it could take years to develop.

If you do mount these drums on a resurface machine I would take off 0.020 +- 0.010 of an inch and call it quits.  What is left should work for a good long time so you can still use the car while you search for replacement drums.

Just my two & one half cents,   

Good Luck,  Chet…

General Discussion / Re: Chris.., How is your 28 coming.?
« on: August 24, 2008, 10:37:47 PM »
This weekend I was fighting a chest cold so instead of working on my 48 I decided to stay home and fool around with the 29.  In the morning I greased her and installed a vintage Arrroooghaa horn that I picked up on eBay.   It is an EA Mileaway Model “S”, made by E. A. Laboratories Inc. Brooklyn, N. Y.  It was in great shape and works like new.

Anyway I drove from Sterling to my daughter’s house in Leesburg which is about a 30 mile round trip.  A car passed me which had a little old lady who looked to be 95 if she was a day.  She was grinning from ear to ear and really light up when I hit the Arrroooghaa horn.  She waved frantically and smiled as she probably recalled a few interesting memories of her youth which my car awakened. 

Dropped the wife off at my daughter's house and headed home.

I certainly understand your enthusiasm for driving.

I plan on taking the car to work tomorrow.  No rain in the forecast.


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