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General Discussion / Re: clutch photos
« on: November 20, 2009, 08:32:24 PM »
Does any one have a exploded views of a clutch assembly?  The tranmission front bearing retainer is broken and I found a guy that will remake (reweld) mine but he wants a detailed exploded view of clutch throw out bearing assembly.   He wants to make sure that the bearing assembly (throw out and sleeve ) rides on the front bearing retainer.  rusty

Rusty I will scan this tonight, enlarge and post as a pdf file.


General Discussion / Re: heater
« on: November 20, 2009, 08:29:15 PM »

I posted a query concerning 28/29 heater options for our cars on the Plymouth Owner’s Club web forum and Bob posted the following:   “According to the "Standard Catalog of Chrysler" 1924-1990, both the 1928 and 1929 Plymouths had the option:   Heater floor type, hot air heat for thirty dollars.”

I have an original salesman’s reference book for the 1929 sales year but unfortunately two of the four option pages have been lost so I can't verify, but I am sure the info is spot on.  Parts for the heater option must be listed somewhere in the parts reference manual.

Interesting Topic, Chet…

PS..,  Those of you with heaters how about some pictures  :)   

General Discussion / Re: heater
« on: November 19, 2009, 11:15:11 PM »
This is turning out to be an interesting question.  I have been poking around the Internet and haven’t found a whole lot of information on vintage car heaters.  Most sites agree that car heaters became standard equipment in the 1920’s.  So this would lead one to believe that Chrysler Plymouth or their dealerships provided some type of option, possibly after market for the 28 & 29 Plymouths.  

As Rusty mentioned there is currently a 1929 Canadian built Plymouth radiator on ePay that appears to have been fitted with a heat vent toward the top of the radiator.  Similar to what Rich was talking about.   If anyone has more information I also would be interested.

Pictures from the ePay Ad below.

Tks,  Chet…

General Discussion / Re: pulling a engine
« on: November 02, 2009, 02:29:44 PM »

I may be doing this at some point in time so the question is:  Do you unbolt the bell housing from the frame or unbolt the motor from the bell housing.?  It seems to me that the bell housing is a major cross member holding the frames together ???


General Discussion / Re: 29 to 30U Question
« on: October 27, 2009, 11:57:02 PM »
Chet it seems to me the 29 radiator has more capacity than the 30?  jim


That would make sense.  Since thermal siphon requires water to be boiled out of the engine the water coming into the radiator is hotter then a modern cooling system so you would need a large capacity radiator to allow the water sufficient time to be cooled before it is siphon back into the engine block.   The water pump when combined with a thermostat keeps the block at a relatively constant operating temperature (160 – 210 degrees) which by efficiency allows for a smaller radiator.   Radiators were made even smaller when we went to pressurized cooling systems.   It’s all about real-estate.   That's my 2 cents


General Discussion / Re: 29 to 30U Question
« on: October 27, 2009, 11:39:56 PM »
::) I have to say that I have not driven any real long distance with my 29 Ply -  Your water pump would be a plus but as I understand if your engine block is clean (roded out and/or boiled out), and radiator has been boiled out and all the coils are clear and straight, an engine with out a water pump will operate just fine.  I have driven mine on some pretty hot days and have had no problems with overheating.  Good luck with either way you decide to go. - Rich


My original motor is probably due for a rebuild which I will do when I get around to restoring this car.   The point being is that I don’t see that project starting in the near future.  Anyway spending a weekend dropping in this newly rebuilt 30U motor would keep me on the road for a couple of years until I have the time to do the restore.    Worst case I can eliminate the water pump but it would be nice to use it.  .


General Discussion / Re: 29 to 30U Question
« on: October 25, 2009, 03:12:07 PM »
Thanks Jim,

I suspected that the radiator output was on the passenger side in the 30U and up.  Of course I can always remove the water pump and use my 29 head.  If I use this motor I would like to take advantage of the water pump.  My old 29 runs and sounds so much better in cold weather.  The added water circulation would be a definite improvement for summer driving. 

I don’t want to replace the radiator so I will just have to think about a clean and neat way to pipe the water over to the pump.

Tks,  Chet…

General Discussion / Re: mounting rear wheels
« on: October 25, 2009, 03:04:50 PM »
Why no grease? 

Rusty the precision ground conical shape of the shaft and hub become locked when bolted together.  This is known as Taper Lock.  In order for this to occur there is no tolerance allowed in the connection.  Therefore grease would prevent the two metal surfaces from locking together.  After you clean the shaft and hub, you may wipe the shaft with a rag wet with light weight oil like WD40 or 3in1. I think the WD would serve your purposes better.   The cleaner and dryer the connection the stronger the Taper Lock.

Jim’s comments about cleaning up the keyway is good advice but once you get the metal parts clean they should go together just fine.  Before applying any pressure to the connection install the key


General Discussion / 29 to 30U Question
« on: October 20, 2009, 02:29:25 PM »
As you guys may know I picked up a rebuilt 30U block with water pump and mechanical fuel pump.  I know the engine will bolt in but I was wondering about the radiator hook ups.  On my 29U the output pipe from the radiator is on the drivers side.  With the 30U setup the water pump input is on the passenger side.


Does the 30U have a radiator with an output pipe on the passenger side or is there some type of cross over pipe behind the fan ?  If so a picture would be great.  If I use this engine to putt around in I would certainly want to use the water pump without having to change the radiator.  There appears to be plenty of room to run a crossover pipe ?

Any thoughts ?


General Discussion / Re: complete brake system cost
« on: October 19, 2009, 06:35:45 PM »

Good info, thanks for the breakdown, pardon the pun. 



I have 4 bolts on mine that's the way it was when I got the car.

General Discussion / Re: A note from an old timer...
« on: October 09, 2009, 01:27:14 PM »


I hope he did a better job on your engine so you don't have to park on top of a hill.


General Discussion / Re: Kingpin question... Watch video please...
« on: October 07, 2009, 02:37:29 AM »

Item 26 The Thrust bearing goes on the top.  Is this what you were looking for ?

Item 27 is a shim.


General Discussion / A note from an old timer...
« on: October 07, 2009, 01:45:48 AM »
I received this email today from a gentleman who wondered onto our web site.


I am Vic Miesel from PA. I'm 90 yrs old and your pages brought back the fondest memories of the one I  bought new and owned until 1937. I guess you are aware that it was the first car with Hydraulic Brakes & tubed tires.

I wrote back:

Thanks, Vic,
I am very glad to hear from you and I can't tell you how much I enjoy my 1929 Plymouth.  I epically enjoy keeping this automobile on the road and the joy it gives people who like yourself are reminded of a time where computers and video games were not even a concept.


My dear friends, this is what I believe this hobby is all about.


General Discussion / Re: rear axle outer grease seal
« on: October 05, 2009, 06:43:36 PM »

I haven’t had to replace these yet so I haven’t looked for them.   I am sure that they must have been used on other cars of the time.  If you find a source or a good work-around please let us know.


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