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General Discussion / Anyone going to Hershey
« on: September 24, 2007, 06:36:39 PM »
I am driving up for the Saturday Fly market (Oct 13).  I would like meeting and having a beer or coke with any member of this forum.


General Discussion / Re: Wood kits?
« on: September 18, 2007, 04:58:24 PM »
Thanks Carlton,

I am very interested in anyone who is venturing into this area.  Car guys tend to shy away from wood work.  Personally I find it easier to work with wood then steel.  I am very interested in what you are doing so please post pictures when you have the time.

Good luck with this project.  It may take some time but the end result will be well worth the time and effort.


General Discussion / Sun Visor Repair on the 29-U
« on: September 09, 2007, 05:09:40 PM »
I got around to fixing the poor job the previous owner of my car did on the sun visor.  Below is the before picture.

Not even close to what it should look like.  I removed the sun visor and incorrectly mounted wood piece.

I picked up a nice piece of 3/4 by 1.75" oak in Home Depot and cut and shaped it to mount under the roof material.

A little batting and reaffixed the roof material.

The picture below is the result of my work.  Not perfect but I think much better.


General Discussion / Re: Wood kits?
« on: September 03, 2007, 10:19:22 PM »
If you find someone who has wood kits I would certainly be interested.   When my 48 is completed I will be retiring the 29 to restore the wood framing.   I like working with wood so the project would be fun for me but having an original assembly drawing of the 29 Plymouth would be a big help.  If you find any information on the body substructure please drop me an email.


General Discussion / Re: Body number?
« on: August 27, 2007, 07:36:17 AM »
The actual manufacturing number is in the center of the dashboard in the oval Medallion.  There is a FedCo system VIN number. 

See the link to Tod Fitch’s website, which explains VIN numbers:

I don’t understand what the insurance company is requesting.  A title and a visual inspection should be all they need.  Actually for liability only GICO insured my 29 sight on seen for $11.00 per month.  I am told an Antique car insurance company would give full coverage fire & theft for about the same amount.


General Discussion / Re: POSITIVE GROUND?
« on: August 26, 2007, 08:11:57 AM »
If you had water in your gas you may most likely have rust in your tank.  I don't know how long the water has been in there but if it has been sitting for awhile you may have clean the tank and coat it with a gas tank paint. 

Here is a link to what I did with my 48 P15 tank.  Some guys use chain instead of gravel.

As far as a cap you need to use a vented cap or in my case just a loose fitting cap.  If not you will build pressure in the tank and on a hot day the pressure will force two much gas to the carburetor.  Also you can collapse the tank if you have a good electric fuel pump.  I also use an electric fuel pump.  It is rated at a maximum pressure of 2 psi.  I had a 4-5 psi pump and it forced two much gas into the carburetor and caused it to pour out the front. 

I am glad the wiring diagram helped you.


General Discussion / Re: POSITIVE GROUND?
« on: August 25, 2007, 10:28:21 PM »
The car had cranked and I was getting spark to the points and the head lights worked. Would it still do that if the battery had been hooked up wrong?  I don't want to fry anthing when I hook the battery back up.  Any advice?


Reversing the polarity of the 29 would still allow the lights, horn and starter to crank.  You may have a problem with the distributor in that it is the only device in the car that would be polarity sensitive.

You are correct in that this car was originally Positive Ground.  It could be wired as negative ground if the distributor coil was changed or if the coil wiring was reversed.  My car does not have an original distributor so I can't give you any advice as to what to look for.

See original wiring diagram:


General Discussion / Re: 29 wheel puller
« on: August 25, 2007, 09:08:25 AM »

If you go to the link below, this was a post I started on the POC Forum.  It has a lot of info on the subject.

If I can't find one at Hershey this year I am going to have a friend make one for me.  He is a machinist by hobby and a mechanical engineer by profession.  I am pretty sure I will find one at Hershey.  I am told that the Ford modal A used the same threads on their axel but I don’t know for sure or if the Model T will work as a substitute.   

Good Luck,


General Discussion / Re: Engin #
« on: August 13, 2007, 10:42:31 AM »
Interesting,   I thought the water pump and mechanical fuel pump were cut in some time during the 30-U production run.  Since the water pump was added in 1930, I assumed that the PA & PB had a water pump.  If this is in fact a PB block then if the PB can be made into a thermo then it should be relatively easy to cut in a water pump on the old style U block.   

I remember someone on the POC Board asking about cutting in a water pump on a Model -29U block.   I know a strange question for the POC Board.  Modifications are not always welcome but it makes sense that the blocks were the same except for some additional holes to accommodate the water pump.  I know that the 196 and the 175 use the same engine gasket set plus or minus a few extra gaskets to accommodate the water pump and fuel setups.  It stands to reason that the blocks were the same. 

I saw a PB in a recent show and what a difference between the 32 & 33 cars and my 29.   Two to three years of production made a big difference in materials and workmanship.  My assumption is that after the depression both labor and materials came cheep and Plymouth took advantage of the opportunity to improve their product.  You can definitely see it in the cars of the mid-thirties.  In my opinion some of the nicest styling and quality Plymouth produced as well as other manufactures. 


General Discussion / Re: Speed
« on: August 09, 2007, 09:16:42 AM »

I agree.., 40 is a very comfortable speed for these cars.   My Son-in-law ridding behind me said that he clocked me between 50 & 55 running down Rt 28 near Dulles airport.  Dead flat road, no grade.  Of course this is pushing the car but I never had it completely revved out.   If conditions are right you may get it up to 65 mph but it would not be a sustainable driving speed.

I don’t have the gas reservoir so I am using an electric fuel pump.  Maximum 2 PSI and it works great.   Once I finish the restoration on my 48 I will garage the 29 for a couple years for an engine rebuild and a redo of the wood substructure.   The car runs OK but when climbing hills the engine groans a lot, pulls strong but is definitely sounding like she could use some new main bearings.   I also burn a lot of oil, maybe a qt per 100 miles so an engine tare down is definitely on the near horizon.

Still driving although the weather here is just to hot for cruising in the 29 Plymouth.  Yesterday it was 102 at Dulles airport and 98 degrees at 8:00 PM.


General Discussion / Re: Air filter
« on: August 06, 2007, 06:53:45 PM »
The Plymouth Owners manual 1929 states:

Air Cleaner

The air drawn into the carburetor contains a certain amount of dust which is an abrasive, and if allowed to enter the cylinders will cause more rapid wear of the pistons, rings, cylinders, and it gradually works into the oil pan and is circulated through the engine.   The air cleaner ( Fig. 8 ) removes the dust from the air before it enters the carburetor by centrifugal force of the air currents within the air cleaner and throws it down into the open space beside the engine. The draft from the radiator cooling fan drives the dust past the engine.  The air cleaner requires no attention.

Vents in the front of the air cleaner get the incoming air rotating.  Theoretically it sounds OK but I wouldn’t want to be in a sand storm in the desert.  Keep an eye on ebay.., they sometimes pop up.  A good Plymouth swap meet might also do the trick.

Hope this helps.   Chet...

General Discussion / Re: 1930U amp gauge fuse?
« on: August 05, 2007, 08:32:00 AM »
I am not sure what the recommended rating was but my 29U had a 15 Amp when I purchased it.   Keep in mind that the Fuse only protects the Lights and Horn ckt.  See diagram below.  The generator, ignition, and starter motor are fuse less.

Item 31 is the fuse.  Generator Max output = 16 Amps.  In order to keep the battery charged total electrical consumption needs to be less then 16 Amps.  Probably a 10 Amp Fuse would work OK.


General Discussion / Re: New member from down OZ
« on: August 04, 2007, 01:28:41 PM »
Welcome to Rodney down under,

Your car looks great.  Feel free to share maintenance tips, pictures, and experiences.  I am a firm believer that cars should be driven often so feel free to post an adventure.

Cars in museums are nice to look at but old cars still putting around on the roads are an unbelievable joy for everyone who is lucky enough to see one in action.



General Discussion / A Trip to the Yergin’s Homestead
« on: July 28, 2007, 06:26:49 PM »
I jumped into the 29 and took a ride to Jim Yergin’s home in Warrenton, VA.  The drive was approximately 42 miles with a top speed of approximately 45 mph.  I stopped for a quick equipment check at the Manassas Battlefield Park.  Picture below.

I am very envious of Jim’s shop which is a three car garage with a full standup attic above.  Jim has every tool imaginable and what isn’t store bought is home made, from the sand blaster to the power coat oven.  Jim’s car is looking great and the woodwork Jim has done.., is in a word…, excellent.   I can’t wait for next year and maybe Jim will bring his 1941 Plymouth Woody to the Sully Plantation Car show next Father’s Day.

After taking a tour of Jim’s historic Victorian home we jumped into the 29 and took a quick drive through the beautiful Virginia country side.  A great trip for my car and a real pleasure to visit Jim’s beautiful home.  Total round trip miles 84.


General Discussion / Re: George29 - Did you get the Hub off yet.
« on: July 23, 2007, 04:08:32 PM »
I found a picture of the original hub puller and will try to find one ...

If you could post the picture you found it would be very helpful.  I am not quite sure what an original puller look like.

Tks,  Chet...

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