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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rusty on November 14, 2009, 04:53:53 PM

Title: heater
Post by: Rusty on November 14, 2009, 04:53:53 PM
Since the U does not have a water pump, did these car ever come with a heater?  I got mine out of North dakota which is not the warmest place on earth.

rusty
Title: Re: heater
Post by: 29plycoop on November 19, 2009, 09:19:53 PM
 ;D Rusty- As to the heater needed in your 29 Plymouth, I will describe one that was installed in mine when I purchased it. For sure it was not a factory install.  Not sure how efficient it was but you take these cars like you find um.  I didn't get a chance to try it out.  Picture a length of 6 in. metal flue pipe that runs from just below the radiator tank at the top left side of the radiator, attached with a hanger to the radiator support rods,  going straight back to hole cut in the firewall to slip the other end of the flue pipe in secured with a sheet metal screw.  The flue pipe has a cable operated internal round baffle plate to open and close heated air to the car.  Talk about LO-TECH.  I am in the middle of an engine install and everything is off the front of my car or I would send a photo with this. Maybe later when it is back together. Happy Holidays !!!! - Rich
Title: Re: heater
Post by: Rusty on November 19, 2009, 10:12:09 PM
I did see on ebay that a guy has a candian built rad screen for the winter.  It looks like a packard grill with the heat control louvers to block air flow to raise the temp of the rad but he had no other " heater system " parts.   I believe that model A's used hot air off the exhaust manifold and directed it into the car.  Lo tech.  rusty
Title: Re: heater
Post by: chetbrz on November 19, 2009, 11:15:11 PM
This is turning out to be an interesting question.  I have been poking around the Internet and haven’t found a whole lot of information on vintage car heaters.  Most sites agree that car heaters became standard equipment in the 1920’s.  So this would lead one to believe that Chrysler Plymouth or their dealerships provided some type of option, possibly after market for the 28 & 29 Plymouths.  

As Rusty mentioned there is currently a 1929 Canadian built Plymouth radiator on ePay that appears to have been fitted with a heat vent toward the top of the radiator.  Similar to what Rich was talking about.   If anyone has more information I also would be interested.

Pictures from the ePay Ad below.

Tks,  Chet…


Title: Re: heater
Post by: chetbrz on November 20, 2009, 08:29:15 PM

I posted a query concerning 28/29 heater options for our cars on the Plymouth Owner’s Club web forum and Bob posted the following:   “According to the "Standard Catalog of Chrysler" 1924-1990, both the 1928 and 1929 Plymouths had the option:   Heater floor type, hot air heat for thirty dollars.”

I have an original salesman’s reference book for the 1929 sales year but unfortunately two of the four option pages have been lost so I can't verify, but I am sure the info is spot on.  Parts for the heater option must be listed somewhere in the parts reference manual.

Interesting Topic, Chet…

PS..,  Those of you with heaters how about some pictures  :)   

Title: Re: heater
Post by: chetbrz on December 01, 2009, 02:21:25 PM
Rusty,

Steve on the POC Board has this heater for sale for $200.  If you are interested email him <  sdbraverman@optonline.net >.  Tell him Chet told you about the heater.

Chet...
Title: Re: heater
Post by: Rusty on February 15, 2010, 05:37:00 PM
I bought that heater from POC board.  There is another for sale on ebay now.    number 320488497855
I have not installed mine as the engine is currently not installed.  I did get to ride in a Model A recently that has a heater just like these and they work, mostly.  Not as well as a new car but a lot better than I thought it would.  I would rec that you sit in the front seat and not the rear seat for any real warmth.
rusty
Title: Re: heater
Post by: Jim Benjaminson on April 10, 2012, 04:47:33 AM
A little late to this board but I do have an advertising brochure for the hot-air floor mounted heater.  If anyone wants a copy, email and I'll put it on the scanner.  My email is benji@utma.com
Title: Re: heater
Post by: Tinkeys on April 10, 2012, 09:59:50 AM
Hi Jim !
I would be interested in a copy of the brochure  as I have the hot air manifold
 But not the rest to set up thanks Tony.
Title: Re: heater
Post by: 1930 on May 20, 2012, 11:24:16 AM
From what I have 28 was the first year a conventional liquid heater was used in a Dodge Chrysler PLymouth Desoto vehicle. I have a large brochure showing this heater and many other Plymouth only accesories but I assumed that it was pretty common knowledge so I never bothered mentioning it.

If there is any interest I can make some scans
Title: Re: heater
Post by: chetbrz on May 20, 2012, 02:55:41 PM
From what I have 28 was the first year a conventional liquid heater was used in a Dodge Chrysler PLymouth Desoto vehicle. I have a large brochure showing this heater and many other Plymouth only accesories but I assumed that it was pretty common knowledge so I never bothered mentioning it.

If there is any interest I can make some scans

Yes please make some scans. 

Tks,  Chet...
Title: Re: heater
Post by: Rusty on May 20, 2012, 04:30:21 PM
I would like to see those scans.  Could you use a water based heater on a car with thermo siphon cooling system?  Would that work?
Rusty
Title: Re: heater
Post by: SDGlenn on May 20, 2012, 04:32:54 PM
Thanks Rusty, I was going to ask the same question. lol
SD Glenn
Title: Re: heater
Post by: SDGlenn on May 20, 2012, 04:34:26 PM
Hey Rusty, stop on by, we have time to check out the shifter I have. And maybe a cup of "Joe"
SD Glenn
Title: Re: heater
Post by: 1930 on May 21, 2012, 11:45:48 PM
I would like to see those scans.  Could you use a water based heater on a car with thermo siphon cooling system?  Would that work?
Rusty

Evidently ( upon looking closer at the catalouge ) the heater was not available for the Plymouth until the 1930 series, it was however offered on Dodge in 28 and without thinking I presumed it would be avail across the board.


It shows the manifold heater that is pictured here I think within the thread and also the Tropical brand heater as being available on the 30 U PA PB PC.

Glad I coule entetain you Glen and sorry to everyone else for the confusion, only trying to help.
Title: Re: heater
Post by: chetbrz on May 22, 2012, 12:07:39 AM
I would like to see those scans.  Could you use a water based heater on a car with thermo siphon cooling system?  Would that work?
Rusty


Rusty,

I don't think a water based heater could be used on a thermo siphon system.  I think you would need a water pump to move the water through the heater core.

Just my thoughts,  Chet...
Title: Re: heater
Post by: 1930 on May 22, 2012, 01:45:42 AM
Here is that scan of that page, turns out to be a particular section of the Plymouth master parts book,  whomever owned the book prior to me did not take very good care of it unfortunately.

I am going to assume that you guys recognize this now that I have posted it but if not than I will scan and post the rest of the pages.
Title: Re: heater
Post by: SDGlenn on May 24, 2012, 04:47:29 AM
Jason, Please accept my apology. I was not amused at you, I was LOL at myself. I appreciate all the help I can get from all you guys on this site and value very much the help I get.  Thanks,
SD Glenn
Title: Re: heater
Post by: 1930 on May 29, 2012, 12:06:05 AM
Jason, Please accept my apology. I was not amused at you, I was LOL at myself. I appreciate all the help I can get from all you guys on this site and value very much the help I get.  Thanks,
SD Glenn

Thank-you, there are so many smart Axxes on these sites I never know whos trying to make someone else feel inferior.
Title: Re: heater
Post by: wellery on June 14, 2012, 05:40:16 AM
I get that feeling of inferior everytime I post
Title: Re: heater
Post by: Jim Benjaminson on June 26, 2012, 03:53:17 AM
Not sure if tinkeys got a copy of the floor hot-air heater brochure but if anyone wants a copy, email me and I'll email it back.  benji@utma.com
Also, just a note.  Heaters WERE NOT standard equipment on cars until about the mid-60s or so.  Heaters, radios, etc., were all dealer installed before you took delivery of your new car and you paid extra for them.  When they became "standard", the price of the car was higher, of course....
Title: Re: heater
Post by: Tinkeys on June 26, 2012, 04:32:04 AM
Thank you Jim the copy did come through and I thank you  sey much for your efforts !!