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General Discussion / Re: More on 28/29 Roof Construction
« on: March 12, 2014, 04:17:14 AM »
Hey Chet.  I took a little time to day to do some measurements and diagrams to help you with your project.  Although I have a '29 coupe and you a sedan, I expect there are many similarities in the top wood structure from the windshield back as far as the B post.  So that's what I detailed.  The back of the front wood piece is fixed to the flat steel plate above the windshield.  The length of that piece falls short of the outside edge of the A post by about 5/8 inch on each end.  The out side edge of the side wood piece is curved to follow the curve of the top of the door; the inside edge of this piece is straight from the A post to the B post (maybe the pictures will help show this).  I traced the actual curve of the pieces in some places and noted those on the diagram; otherwise, much of the diagram is not to scale.  Hope it all makes sense once you look at the diagram and pics.  If not, send me a note.  Good luck with your project. I get lots of help from the Forum too, so maybe this stuff will be useful to others.  mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 07, 2014, 05:34:58 PM »
Old Man:  Your moniker should be 'Mr. Encyclopedia'...thanks for this info.  I will check Mac's catalogue...I need the end pieces...I expect they will have the top material too?  Anyhow, thanks for sharing all that Plymo info stuffed into your noodle...     mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 06, 2014, 04:52:25 AM »
Chet:  Here's the rain gutter stuff you asked for.  My car is a coupe and yours a sedan so there may be some differenches that you can resolve.  The gutter is 37 inches long and has a 7/8" arc in order to follow the roof line above the door.  There are holes along its length; 1/4" from each end for a screw, then a tack hole 1 1/4" from each end, then another 2 1/4" from each end, then the holes continue at 2" spacing.  Pictures are attached.  Hope this helps.  From Crazy Dave's sedan pics it looks like the rain gutter turns down at the back end.  Good luck with your project.

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 06, 2014, 04:06:00 AM »
Crazy Dave:  Nice pics.  Liked the ones in your bucket too.  Thanks for letting us know about those.  My wood look similar to yours in some spots....dry rot.  I was able to repair much of mine using a recommended product called "Poly All".  It really is great stuff...a polyurethane that will soak into wood and stabilize it.  Check out my description about using it on my top wood under "I need some advise" on page 4 of the general category.  If you are not a skilled wood worker, I recommend you consider using this product where you can rather than tearing out the top wood and milling replacement pieces.  If the wood is just too far gone, then you have no choice of course.  Good luck and keep us posted.  mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 05, 2014, 04:55:21 PM »
Chet:  There was no exposed wood 'trim' on my top.  I believe the wood 'chine' that Old Man refers to is the heavy duty wood framing that surrounds the cab roof perimeter and to which the top fabric is tacked.  All the wood is covered by the top fabric.  As Old Man describes, water can get in along the top edge of the sun visor.  One of my pictures shows the loose fabric along the front edge as a result of wood deterioration in this location.  You will recall all the fill and 'toothpick' repair I did to this wood framing to ready it for a new top.  I will get a picture and cross-section diagram of the rain gutter for you.  mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:11:56 AM »
try again....

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:09:38 AM »
last two.... Kim Mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:07:28 AM »
more....  Kim Mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:04:32 AM »
still more pics....  Kim Mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:02:36 AM »
more top pics... Kim Mc

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:00:30 AM »
Chet:  Hi Chet.  You mention "a picture below"... I didn't get a picture or are you referring to an earlier picture.  All the wood is oak.  The perimeter of the top of the cab is all wood framing beneath the sheet metal.  There is so much wood that if you removed all the sheet metal, there would still be a wood structure remaining that outlines the shape of the car!  The top perimeter framing is many pieces glued and screwed together.  I had to do a lot of fabrication and fitting to reproduce the repair parts I made.  I can try to get a cross sectional shape of the side and front main wood pieces but none of these are a consistent cross section from front to back.  But I will do the best I can for you.  It is probably a good thing that all this wood is covered by either the top material or the interior headliner and fabric of the sides.  I am still a little confused by what you are referring to as wood "trim".  The wood framing is not 'trim', but rather a substantial wood support structure.  But maybe I misunderstand what you are referring to.  I'll take some more pictures and try to do some sketches.  My fabric top was not the original, but the original "gutter" metal and metal "half-round" to finish the back edge of the top were retained.  The wood framing had both black paint and plenty of overspray from the original green body paint.  The raw edge of the top fabric was finished with a fabric belt also tacked down and apparent in the photos.  I'm going to post all the pictures I took of the top before I removed it.  It will take about 6 posts I think.

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 04, 2014, 07:24:35 PM »
SteveG:  I found the pics of my fabric top prior to removal.  It was not the original top but was secured around the perimeter in the same manner as the original.  I am sending 2 pics, one of the left front corner above the A pillar, and the other is the left rear corner above and behind the door.  I have about 12 more pictures but they are large format (3MB) so if you want to see those too I can send them to your email.  If others here want to see them I will just go ahead and reduce their size and post them here.  Let me know.

Chet:  I still have the wood exposed on my coupe so if you need more pictures let me know what parts you want to see.  You probably remember that I posted quite a few pics of the top wood in the thread I mentioned above ("I need some advise") (spelling error mine).  It's now on page 4 of the General Discussion.

Old Man:  You remember right.  :)

General Discussion / Re: '28 Top Reconstruction
« on: March 03, 2014, 05:40:43 PM »
The top on my '29 coupe was tacked to the wood framing all the way around.  The finish trim strip around the perimeter was also tacked using small round-headed tacks about 3/8 to 1/2 inch long.  I can't send a picture 'cause the top is off now.  But you might want to look at a previous post of mine on page 4 of this General Discussion forum.  It's titled "I need some advise..."; top wood repair discussion starts on about page 6 of that post.  I'll check my picture file to see if I have a photo of the original fabric top.

General Discussion / Re: Upohlstery Project '29 Plymouth Coupe
« on: December 01, 2013, 06:47:54 AM »
Hey Rich.  I am attaching 2 more pictures.  Interestingly, the driver's door does not have a pouch in the interior panel.  Perhaps this is because it is the Business Coupe, which I presume pretty much mean "no frills".  The seat is the original leather I believe; the car was originally my great grandfather's and was pretty much original when I received it about 60 yrs ago.  The pleats of both the seat and back are 4 inches wide.  Hope this helps.  mc

General Discussion / Re: Upohlstery Project '29 Plymouth Coupe
« on: November 30, 2013, 07:43:44 PM »
29Plycoop: I am sending you a picture of the original interior panel with pouch on my '29 coupe.  I believe the pouch originally was elastic and pleated, but I can check that if you want.  If you have other specific questions or need other pictures just let me know.  Glad to help if I can.  Kim Mc

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