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General Discussion / Re: Chris.., How is your 28 coming.?
« on: August 24, 2008, 03:37:47 PM »
This weekend I was fighting a chest cold so instead of working on my 48 I decided to stay home and fool around with the 29.  In the morning I greased her and installed a vintage Arrroooghaa horn that I picked up on eBay.   It is an EA Mileaway Model “S”, made by E. A. Laboratories Inc. Brooklyn, N. Y.  It was in great shape and works like new.

Anyway I drove from Sterling to my daughter’s house in Leesburg which is about a 30 mile round trip.  A car passed me which had a little old lady who looked to be 95 if she was a day.  She was grinning from ear to ear and really light up when I hit the Arrroooghaa horn.  She waved frantically and smiled as she probably recalled a few interesting memories of her youth which my car awakened. 

Dropped the wife off at my daughter's house and headed home.

I certainly understand your enthusiasm for driving.

I plan on taking the car to work tomorrow.  No rain in the forecast.


General Discussion / Re: Master cylinder disassembly?
« on: August 24, 2008, 02:48:08 PM »
Chet, I just realized my picture is different than yours because my book is a 28.  I did not try to take the end off, what I thought to be a rubber gasket inside there was not.  Underneath the inlet fitting I have a hole about 3/16 that is wide open and an small orafice that I stuck a piece of .030 copper wire into.  The wire stops and I didn't force it.  Should this little hole be open into the cylinder area also?  I cannot see any light through it either.  My diagram although slightly different has a "compensating relief port" in that area. The bigger one is labled "secondary fluid port".



That little hole should go clear through to the cylinder.  The hole is very small at the cylinder wall so maybe use high pressure air to clear it.  It is a bleed hole to allow the hydraulic cylinder to equalize on both sides of the piston.  I am not sure if you can see light through it but you should feel air flow when you apply air preasure. 


That aluminum piece was the remains from the original valve.  This part is replaced by the kit (valve & rubber washer).  So it is no longer necessary.

My 2 cents,  Chet...

General Discussion / Re: Master cylinder disassembly?
« on: August 23, 2008, 06:56:07 AM »
Okay Has anyone successfully unscrewed the master cylinder head and got it back on without wrecking it?


I removed the rear piece but there really isn’t any reason to do so.  There is nothing inside just empty space.  Make sure your return port is clear before you reassemble the Master cylinder.  Item 9 in the diagram.

I honed the cylinder and installed the kit.

 hope this helps,  Chet…

General Discussion / Re: tie rod ends
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:54:38 PM »

Have you tried removing the grease fitting and cleaning it.  It might just be clogged with either dried grease or maybe rusty.

My 2 cents, Chet…

General Discussion / Any Forum Members in the Las Vegas Area
« on: July 29, 2008, 05:47:41 PM »

I will be in Las Vegas on business the week of August 11th.   Any member wishing to get together for a quick hello and maybe a brewski please let me know.  I have limited time but could hook up any night Monday to Thursday.  Flying in Monday and out early Friday morning.

A work in progress since September 2004 - Getting close to finish paint.

My weekend driver 1929 Plymouth U


General Discussion / Re: Catchin up
« on: July 28, 2008, 10:01:40 AM »
Our trip was posted on a forum, click on ride reports, then TWO Thumpers and a Twin by John Snyder


Very cool…  I hope you don’t mind but I posted the link to the thread because it did take some searching to find it. 

Intense Forum Activity – When I viewed the post there were 3,330 members logged in.

PS…  I think I detect an old Plymouth in the background..

What a great adventure, Chet...

General Discussion / Re: Catchin up
« on: July 27, 2008, 09:41:45 AM »
An Alaskan vacation.., sounds like a great thing to do in the heat of the summer. 

Any pictures from the great white north.?


General Discussion / Chris.., How is your 28 coming.?
« on: July 25, 2008, 10:19:19 AM »
Just curious,


General Discussion / Re: downloadable manual
« on: July 15, 2008, 03:09:57 PM »
I have made the 1936 to 48 Plymouth Master Parts Manual available online at The password is <password >.

I am working on scanning the 28 to 36 Parts Reference Manual along with other documents but with all the projects I currently have open it will be quite sometime before I have the bandwidth to actually finish them.  Believe it or not it is an incredibly time consuming task.

If you find it somewhere else please let us know.


General Discussion / For What it’s worth… RT-08 Brass Bowl Carb
« on: July 10, 2008, 03:33:08 PM »

I spent some time on the phone today with John from “The Carburetor Shop” in ELDON, MISSOURI.  We mostly talked about the Carter Bras Bowl Carburetor RT-08 found on the 29/30-U Plymouths.

Some information from a person who seemed to be extremely knowledgeable about our carburetors.

  • First of all they have original RT-08s fully restored to show quality and in stock for sale and I was told that they are extremely expensive $5,000.00 each.  The reason basically is that the carburetor and its pot metal construction just didn’t survive well after 79 plus years.
  • It is highly unlikely to disassemble these carburetors without breaking the internal components or at least most of the internal jets & parts.
  • Parts are available but pricey.  Idle & high-speed jets are in the $350.00 range per each, $50 dollars for the rebuild kit which doesn’t contain the jets.
  • External acceleration pump may be purchased for $1,500.00 and I was told out of 100 carburetor bodies you are lucky to find two in restorable condition.  He said that the acceleration pump didn’t provide too much benefit anyway and a lot of people use the carburetor without it. 

The gentlemen I spoke with was not trying to sell me anything.   He was nice enough to pass on some information so that I could decide what I would like to do with the two I have in various states of disassembly.   Both of which are floating around in my parts washer for the last 6 months.   Basically he said that this wouldn’t help much because the pot metal expands over time making it impossible to dissemble these without damaging the internal parts or the castings.   This might be a good thing to know before you mess around with your RT-08.

Of course this carburetor was used on other makes at the time like Chevy.  He prefaced the following statement by saying he loves Carter Carburetors.   But in his opinion the RT-08 was the worst carburetor Carter ever made.   He mentioned that a number of people use other carburetors like a Zenith or Tillotson. When they go to a car show after they park they will then remove their driving carb and put on a non-function highly polished Brass Bowl RT-08 just for show.

Don’t shoot the messenger.  I am just reporting on my conversation with someone that is much more knowledgeable then I am on this subject.

28-Q   RJH-08
29-U   RT-08
30-U   RT-08
31-PA   DRT-08
32-PB   BB-Updraft

I hope this info helps and if not any comments would be appreciated.

I am a firm believer in the theory that if it works leave it alone.  So if your RT-08 is working then based on the above I think that you have a very expensive and rare commodity.


General Discussion / 1927 Chrysler owner in Germany
« on: July 10, 2008, 08:31:45 AM »
A colleague of mine from Germany was here at our Virginia office this week.  He is also the proud owner of the 1927 M50 pictured below. Werner Lorenz has owned this 1927 Chrysler for approximately 20 years.   He bought the car in South Africa while on business in Johannesburg.   He states that this kind of car is very scarce in Europe and it is almost impossible to find parts for it.  Even in the States you have to be lucky to find parts. We exchanged some supplier info and spent a lot of time talking vintage WPC stuff.  Hopefully we might be able to get together again this year at Hershey in October.

Yesterday I drove my 29 to work and was able to give Werner a ride in another great WPC car built in the same era.   I believe the 1927 M50 uses the same Maxwell Engine that is in the 1928-Q Plymouth.  The only problem being is that the 27 only had hydraulic brakes fitted in the rear.  Werner was impressed with how responsively my old Plymouth stopped when needed. 

Werner drives his car frequently so if you are in Munich and see this 27 cruise by I would suspect with much certainty that it is Werner out for a casual drive.


Info from the WPC Museum Web Site:

1927 M 50

Engine: Year: Carline: Maxwell / Chrysler / Plymouth 4-cylinder 1927 Chrysler 50 Compression ratio raised to 4.1:1 and output was 35 bhp @ 2200. L-head, 3 main bearings Bore/Bire Range: 3.63 in. Stroke: 4.13 - 4.50 in. BHP Range: 34-38 Cylinder Block: cast iron, deep skirt Fuel System: updraft carburetor Displacement: 170 cu. in.

1929 Plymouth U Motor

Engine: Year: Carline: Plymouth 4-cylinder 1929 Plymouth U L-head, 3 main bearings Bore/Bire Range: 3.63 in. Stroke: 4.25 - 4.75 in. BHP Range: 45-65 Cylinder Block: cast iron, deep skirt Fuel System: updraft carburetor Displacement: 175 cu. in.


    Something I just noticed in the photos on Chet's website, the oil pickup filter is totally different from mine.  Mine is a simple stainless steel open-top, perforated cylinder attached to the drain plug which seems to be magnatized.

    I also noted that my brake master cylinder is different, and matched the drawings in my owners manual.  They must have changed the design in '29.  The inlet port on top is not set in at an angle, it enters at a perfect 90 degrees as do the other two fittings, the outlet port and the pressure switch.


Yes.., the earlier 28’s had the Master cylinder you described. 

Also the motors were different from the 28-Q to the 29-U.

1928 - Maxwell Engine 170.3 Cubic In. 

1929 - 175.4 Cubic In.  Plymouth U,  This block is basically the same through the 196.1 ci engine offered in 1930-1932.  Mostly Bore & stroke differences only.  Some new holes added with the fitting of the water pump for the 30-U )



I am going to try plugging off the port that is leaking, but I have a feeling that it will then just pour out somewhere else.


Carter brass bowl carburetors were also used on Chevy’s of the same period.  I was surprised to run across them at a Chevy dealer’s concession at Hershey last year.

I believe that John also mentioned that Modal ‘A’ ford carburetors will also work.

See link to Mikes-A-Ford-able..

Your Carb looks like a Marval:

Anyway, Mike’s has a lot of parts, might find something for your float valve problem.

If you can’t find what you need to get going then try other Ford sources.  If you call or email them they might have a rebuild kit for you present carb. 

I hope this helps…  Chet…


Just an FYI…  The gasket sets for the 175 & 196 ci engines are available.  I believe Gasket City in Canada sells them as well as other venders.

It sounds like you are making good progress with your classic.  As far as the gas pedal goes it is basically a ‘U’ shaped rod that is attached to the fire wall.  I am traveling over the 4th of July weekend but when I get back I will try to take some pictures.  With some measurements you could probably fabricate something if you could find some quarter round steel stock. 

Good luck with the carburetor.



 there is an oil galley plug just above the oil relief valve.  If you draw an imaginary line from that plug straight back to the rear of the engine bock, the oil gage port is located there - at least it is on my engine.    John

Thanks John,   

When I get a chance I will check this out and see if I have the plug.  It would be interesting to check the oil pressure after the valve. 

Interesting hydraulic oil reservoir.  This is the first time I have seen this.  The only other one’s I have seen are the tin can type and the early Chrysler one’s.

Happy 4th.    Chet…

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