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'29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« on: September 19, 2011, 08:27:54 PM »
Greetings All:

New to this particular forum, but have posted on others.  Looking for feedback on what my plans are for putting on new tires and painting the rims.  I will attach a photo of my car with it's current configutation.  Tire size is 4.75/5.00x20 on wood spoke wheels.

1.  Decided to go with black wall tires this time because I think they are more original and authentic.  Looking at Lester, BF Goodrich and maybe even Firestone (a Model "A" tire?).

2.  I believe I have decided to go with black rims as opposed to cadmium colored.  I have seen it done both ways (both ways with a black wall tire).  There is a photo I have (you may have seen it) with a '29 Roadster coming off the assembly line with this combination, although you can see that the spokes are painted and can bairly see the pin striping on the spokes.

Any thoughts, ideas, constructive criticism?

Thanks!

Ted




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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 01:07:01 AM »
Ted,

Beautiful Car !!!  So far you have done great.  Must be a show winner !!!

Cheers Chet and Welcome to the forum.
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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 04:33:47 PM »
Ted,

Beautiful Car !!!  So far you have done great.  Must be a show winner !!!

Cheers Chet and Welcome to the forum.

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Thanks  Chet!

Any thoughts on which color to go with on the rims?  Any thoughts on tire brand?

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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 06:18:06 AM »
Great looking car.

If I remember correctly the natural finished spokes DO NOT have stripping, only painted wheels.

My car was painted wheels with strips (not shown in this picture) and I powder coated the rims, hubs, and lugs black.

Just my thoughts,

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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 07:35:50 AM »
Gary- Great job on a neat car. Happy Motoring! - Rich
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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2011, 08:40:44 PM »
Gary - what kind of tires are you running?

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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2011, 09:17:36 PM »
Hi Ted,

I thought that originally the wood wheels were the same as the body color.  I am not sure if that was true for the rims.  Personally I like the natural wood look but I believe all the original wood wheels were painted.  These are just my assumptions and not necessarily facts.  You might want to check with the POC on this.

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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 03:09:38 AM »
I hope this helps.According to the POC Judging Guide,
Section G. WHEELS;
 1. Only 1930-1933 (30-U-PD) wood wheels may be natural varnished.
 2. Painted wood wheels must have stripe.

In Section F. Paint for the 28 & 29 Q - Plymouth Standard Colors (per Plymouth Club Bulletin Jan-Feb 1994)

Colors per Plymouth Confidential bulletin dated May 21, 1929

Model         Color                       Molding                  Strip                             Wood Wheels              Wire Wheels
Roadster         Ardsley Green         Dundee Gray          Swamp Holly Orange      Arsley Green               Swamp Holly Green
                      Gualda Gray Lt.      Gualda Gray Deep   Mandarin Vermillion        Gualda Gray Deep       Mandarin Vermilion
                      Chrysler Lt. Gray    Cigarette                 Emerald Green              Chrysler Lt Gray          Emerald Green

Touring           Desert Sand            Pyramid Gray          Packard Ivory                Pyramid Gray             Packard Ivory

Coupe             Black                      Black                      Flake White                   Black                         (none listed)
                      Dundee Gray           Ardsley Green         Packard Ivory                Ardsley Green             Cigarette

Deluxe Coupe  Mexican Turquoise   Marquette Blue        Packard Ivory                Marquette Blue            Packard Ivory
                      Blue
                      Thorn Maroon          Chrysler Lt. Gray     Extra Perm. Vermillion    Thorn Maroon             Extra Perm. Vermillion
                      Buckingham Gray    Thorn Maroon          Swamp Holly Green        Thorn Maroon             Swamp Holly Orange

2 Door Sedan  Atkin Gray               Black                      Orange Double Deep      Atkin Gray                  Orange Double Deep
                      Chrysler Lt. Gray     Chrysler Dark Gray   Packard Ivory               Chrysler Dark Gray      Cigarette

4 Door Sedan  Top Gallant Blue      Marquette Blue         Swamp Holly Orange     Marquette Blue            Swamp Holly Orange
                      Marquette Blue        Marquette Blue        Extra Perm. Vermilllion   Marquette Blue           Extra Perm. Vermillion

It would appear from this Bulletin that yes some colored cars did have the wood wheels the same color as the body, but when some colors were used the wheels were a different color.

I have another Service Bulletin dated Jan 8, 1929, which shows a much different list of colors, but it doesn't list the colors for wheels.

Not sure this helps, but that is all I can find right now.

Gary

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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 04:05:12 AM »
Gary

What does the 1929 service bulletin list for the colours as I am yet to find out what olour mine was????


Cheers

Wayne

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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 01:29:01 AM »
Wayne, The Service Bulletin dated January 8, 1929 gives the following:

[b]Model              Body                     Beads & Molding              Stripe[/b]
Roadster                Desert Sand          Pyramid Gray                  Packard Ivory
                             Pyramid Gray        Biscay Green                   Gold Bronze

Touring                  Desert Sand          Pyramid Gray                   Packard Ivory

2 Door Sedan         Desert Sand          Pyramid Gray                   Packard Ivory
                            Moss Agate Green  Ardlsey Green                   Packard Ivory
                            Bolling Green         Black                               Ditzler's Emerald
                            Medium                                                        Green Deep
                       
4 Door Sedan        Bolling Green         Black                                Ditzler's Emerald
                            Medium                                                        Green Deep
                            Marine Blue           Black                                Gold Bronze

Bus. Coupe           Marine Blue            Coach Blue Deep               Moonstone Gray

Deluxe Coupe       Russet Brown          Tabacco Brown                  Primrose Yelloow
                           Norman Gray           Black Ditzler's                   Partridge Cream


These are listed in the POC Judging guides - Group I, pages 20 & 21.

Hope this helps,

Happy Motoring, Gary       

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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 03:31:55 AM »
The service bulletins for 1929 Plymouth list a Coupe, Buss. Coupe and a Deluxe Coupe. Can you describe what makes the difference in the three models? Thanks - Rich
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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 03:55:36 AM »
Ted,
Please don't put Firestones on them, Mr. Chrysler would not like that, being Ford Model A tires!  The original were Goodyear diamond tread, but impossible to get.  Go with any good blackwall, but not Firestone!
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Re: '29 U Roadster Tires and Rims Question
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2011, 03:48:44 AM »
John - great to hear from you!

Decided to go with the black wall Lester tires...just trying to decide if I want to go with the brass (with hardware) stem or rubber stem...

I replied in another one of my posts about how hard might it might be trying to get the felloe onto the rim with the brass stem fully secured in place.  I assume it will be secured tightly under the rim with the nut and rim washer so there won't be much flexibility with it to install the felloe?